Do you believe the innocent party in a situation

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Originally Posted by Cindy

Doesn't defrauding/depriving have to do with intent?

Thank you! Yes, certainly and that is my point! Does the scripture instruct us that no intent is right - for whatever reason?

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I think in this case, there are probably deeper problems at issue than just the depriving. There are probably some serious marriage problems going on that need dealt with. Maybe more fault one side, or maybe equally at fault.

Get counseling, whatever... but don't choose adultery. Adultery is so incredibly destructive to everyone involved. NEVER, ever a good choice. And ALWAYS a sin.



I agree that we can't just flippantly write off our part in marriage problems.... but that STILL doesn't make us at fault for the actual act of adultery if we didn't commit it.

IMO, it is two different issues. You can have a lot of marital distress without choosing adultery.

This still does not address how deep the intention of "depriving" is entailed in I Cor 7:5. The scripture is speaking TO the "depriver".

It almost like saying - "Depriver" you have NO excuse for whatever reason - except - consented prayer and fasting! Is that what the scripture is saying? Are we looking at our hurts and not at the extent of suffering and hurt we must bear in submission and humility?

In our secular society and the world view of the Christian church - are we settling for direction from counselors, much like Dr. Phil OR are we actually looking deeper into the instructions in the scriptures for ourselves.

You'll have to excuse me, I'm in the middle of a study on the book of Proverbs. It seems to be drawing me to look closer at my motives and interpretation of scripture as a Christian.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I always took that verse to be talking more to someone who would deprive because they're "in a snit", or just to punish their spouse, or some other childish reason like that.

I think if depriving is going on because of some deep-seated marriage problems, those problems need to be dealt with. Then the depriving issue will take care of itself.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Doesn't defrauding/depriving have to do with intent?

In most cases I would say it does.

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I always took that verse to be talking more to someone who would deprive because they're "in a snit", or just to punish their spouse, or some other childish reason like that.

I think if depriving is going on because of some deep-seated marriage problems, those problems need to be dealt with. Then the depriving issue will take care of itself.

How can that be in the case of pornography? Can you deprive him while he is trying to work himself out of this? I don't think that can work in all cases.

Some situations take some time to work themselves out. You can't deprive the other while waiting on that change to take place. Now, there is no doubt that this is a difficult situation to work out! Our inclination is to withhold because we are hurting and offended terribly!

Which brings me to my case in point - I Cor 7:5 - it doesn't seem to allow for any excuse outside of prayer and fasting. Soooo, we move on to the question - How humble and submissive are we really when faced with intense hurt in accordance with the scripture on "depriving"? There's the test.

Of course, we may view that scripture as a surface intimacy? Is that how we are viewing the interpretation? Again, how far and deep does the issue of "depriving" go?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

How do you know I've never been faced with it?

What I meant to say is that you cannot judge a person unless you have been in their position. Many people are faced with the temptation to cheap but many and varied are the reasons why it happens. Aren't we glad that Jesus forgives all sins, adultery only being one of them.

Blessings, Rhoni

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I always took that verse to be talking more to someone who would deprive because they're "in a snit", or just to punish their spouse, or some other childish reason like that.

I think if depriving is going on because of some deep-seated marriage problems, those problems need to be dealt with. Then the depriving issue will take care of itself.

That's how I look at it and that would mean there is intent. To withhold because you are mad at your spouse or whatever stupid reason.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I always took that verse to be talking more to someone who would deprive because they're "in a snit", or just to punish their spouse, or some other childish reason like that.

I think if depriving is going on because of some deep-seated marriage problems, those problems need to be dealt with. Then the depriving issue will take care of itself.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

In most cases I would say it does.

Some women use deprivation of sex to manipulate and control their spouses. Sex should never be used as a weapon in a marriage. All disagreements should be resolved or left outside the bedroom door before retiring for the night.

Blessings, Rhoni

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

What I meant to say is that you cannot judge a person unless you have been in their position. Many people are faced with the temptation to cheap but many and varied are the reasons why it happens. Aren't we glad that Jesus forgives all sins, adultery only being one of them.

Blessings, Rhoni

I try my best to never judge a person, and I know that we are all susceptible to sins of different types. But, nevertheless, the act of adultery itself is a sin. And whoever does it, sins.

If I committed adultery, I would be the first to admit that I was wrong and I had sinned. And I would not point one finger at anyone else. Unless someone has a gun to my head, they can't force me to commit adultery.

Of course, forgiveness is always available, even for adultery!!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

What I meant to say is that you cannot judge a person unless you have been in their position. Many people are faced with the temptation to cheap but many and varied are the reasons why it happens. Aren't we glad that Jesus forgives all sins, adultery only being one of them.

Blessings, Rhoni

All thrifty people are tempted to be cheap.Just look at how many women shop at TJ MAXX.