Scriptural reference in the OT of the LAW being...

[LUKE2447]

Also if it didn't matter(though on different levels) why would we still need to follow not eating anything strangled or eating of blood?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Is there a list of good and bad foods somewhere online?

SOME COMMON CLEAN ANIMALS

Antelope Goat Chicken Quail Bass Flounder
Buffalo Moose Dove Turkey Crappie Snapper
Cattle Sheep Duck Pheasant Salmon Trout
Deer Lamb Goose Pigeon Sardine Tuna
Ox Elk Guinea Grouse Bream Pike
Caribou Gazelle Partridge Sparrow Locust Crickets

SOME COMMON UNCLEAN ANIMALS

Swine Mice Bat Seagull Clam Seal
Dog Raccoon Buzzard Crane Crab Whale
Cat Squirrel Crow Owl Lobster Marlin
Rabbit Horse Hawk Stork Oyster Shark
Possum Armadillo Ostrich Flamingo Shrimp Sturgeon
Bear Beaver Pelican Parrot Catfish Snake
Camel Badger Kite Crawfish Turtle Frog

[berkeley]

ah, my weekness:

Swine, Clam, Crab, Lobster, Shrimp, Beaver, Catfish, Crawfish,

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

ah, my weekness:

Swine, Clam, Crab, Lobster, Shrimp, Beaver, Catfish, Crawfish,

Yeah, I hear ya!

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The problem here is nobody has defined LAW.

The LAW is the COVENANT, the law of Moses, not just the 10 commandments.Circumcision in the law was not a spiritual one. Paul points out they did not need to be circumcised

Notice per my other scriptures in Ezek and Jeremiah that the LAW is seen outside of the Mosaic "Covenant" The new covenant would continue the law and would be different than the old as it would be on our hearts instead of on stone and it would contain the atonement of Christ! It may have changed a little in the sense of application from type to realization but besides that the scripture is clear that we would due his commandments and statutes etc...


Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit (WHICH IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST THE LIVING TORAH)I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
Eze 11:20 that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I will bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord GOD."


Eze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. (which is the living Torah, Jesus Christ)
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Again does God want you healthy? What was the point of the food laws? To make a healthy nation!

What verse says it was to keep you healthy? That is not what the law was about. They were about separation from other nations. They were about symbology

SImple question? Do you want God FULL in your life?

Simple question? What makes you think I already don't? Why do I need to abstain from hot dogs in order to have more of God when the bible tells us just the opposite?

That means complete! That would be both physical and spiritual. Of course the spiritual is most important but don't think God does not care about your physical health as well. Then why do you not heed what he says about health! Forget whether is it sin unto death.

Again please show me scripture that says food laws were about health? Why does Paul say not ot judge another in regards to food?

Again, I have not seen any scripture that the LAW of God was ever to be done away by the OT. What we do see is that God said it would be put on our hearts! Paul confirms this!

The law of Moses IS the Old Covenant. Covenants come with agreements.
The Law of Moses is part and parcel of the Old Covenant

Gal 3:10 For as many as are out of works of the Law, these are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the Book of the Law, to do them."
Gal 3:11 But that no one is justified by the Law in the sight of God is clear, for, "The just shall live by faith."
Gal 3:12 But the Law is not of faith; but, "The man who does these things shall live in them."
Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone having been hanged on a tree");
Gal 3:14 so that the blessing of Abraham might be to the nations in Jesus Christ, and that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15 Brothers, I speak according to man, a covenant having been ratified, even among mankind, no one sets aside or adds to it.
Gal 3:16 And to Abraham and to his Seed the promises were spoken. It does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And I say this, A covenant having been ratified by God in Christ, the Law (coming into being four hundred and thirty years after) does not annul the promise, so as to abolish it.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance is of Law, it is no more of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by way of promise.
Gal 3:19 Why then the Law? It was added because of transgressions, until the Seed should come to those to whom it had been promised, being ordained through angels in the Mediator's hand.
Gal 3:20 But the Mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the Law then against the promises of God? Let it not be said! For if a law had been given which could have given life, indeed righteousness would have been out of Law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture shut up all under sin, so that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under Law, having been shut up to the faith about to be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So that the Law has become a trainer of us until Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But faith coming, we are no longer under a trainer.

Also food is not a spiritually binding thing as it is a physical law. Paul main focus was on spiritual application. It does not diminish though the reason for dietary laws. Food does not defile one spiritually it can physically defile you health butnot your spiritual as that is a matter what springs forth from it.

Let's get back to the original intent of this thread though. The Old Covenant contained dietary LAWS....are those LAWS still in effect upon us? I say no. Neither are the laws regarding mixing types of clothing etc

[berkeley]

Prax.. Hebrew National

[Pastor DTSalaz]

In the old covenant God wanted a sign as a token of the covenant. By faith if one believed God he would do what God commanded. This was for the new race from the line of Shem through Abraham. Now called Shemites/Semitic or Hebrew people. Anti Semitism is what Jewish persecutors are called. These people were the called out ones as the church is the callled out people. They had a covenant sign just as we do, baptism=circumcision of the heart. Do either of these things save us in and of themselves. It is not the work itself that saves us but the act of doing it reveals faith. If anyone did not do according to Gods command even though they were of the seed of Abraham they were cut off. They could say they had faith but without doing what God commanded revealed unbelief. You could also do these things either circumcision or baptism without faith and they in and of themsleves will not save. It is not the work itself but the work mixed with faith. Believeth and is baptised.

Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Gen 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


We cannot say we are saved because we believe and have only faith. If we have faith we will repent, be baptized, and filled with the Holy Ghost. If we don't do this we reveal we really don't have faith. We will try to be like Cain who tried to find atonement his own way. We will be cut off from Gods people.

Is the law abolished in the new covenant? No it is fulfilled. The penalty for sin is paid. We don't have to pay for our own sin the penalty transferred to Christ. His righteousness is imputed to us.

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Gen 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

It is not because Abraham did something of his own that found him favor with God. God did not owe him a debt that he had to pay because Abaham was doing righteous deeds and earned a reward. Abraham believed God and did what God said and it was counted to him for righteousness. But what if Abraham would have said he had faith and never left his country or kindred? When God gave the command it did not do anything for Abraham by saying he believed but staying in his county and with his kindred. It was after he did what God said that He would make him a great nation and bless him. The command "get out and I will" you do this and I will do the other.

The law is always fulfilled by faith. Not trying to to keep the law to justify ourselves but knowing it condemns us, the more we try the farther we miss the mark. There is only one who was righteous and I place my faith in him.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Also if it didn't matter(though on different levels) why would we still need to follow not eating anything strangled or eating of blood?

We don't! I tried to explain that. Acts 15 was a question about the law and gentiles. It was determined that the Gentiles did NOT have to keep all the law. However they wanted them to keep certain laws because the knew that in every city where there were gentile believers there were those that followed Moses (Jews) and Paul elaborate on how you can eat food offered to idols and not be condemned but if your conscious is weak you condemn yourself and if someone else's conscious is weak you make a stumbling block to them.

So this "rule" for the gentiles was NOT about health or salvation but about the other jews who were either believing jews or unbelieving jews they were trying to reach.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

SOME COMMON CLEAN ANIMALS

Antelope Goat Chicken Quail Bass Flounder
Buffalo Moose Dove Turkey Crappie Snapper
Cattle Sheep Duck Pheasant Salmon Trout
Deer Lamb Goose Pigeon Sardine Tuna
Ox Elk Guinea Grouse Bream Pike
Caribou Gazelle Partridge Sparrow Locust Crickets

SOME COMMON UNCLEAN ANIMALS

Swine Mice Bat Seagull Clam Seal
Dog Raccoon Buzzard Crane Crab Whale
Cat Squirrel Crow Owl Lobster Marlin
Rabbit Horse Hawk Stork Oyster Shark
Possum Armadillo Ostrich Flamingo Shrimp Sturgeon
Bear Beaver Pelican Parrot Catfish Snake
Camel Badger Kite Crawfish Turtle Frog

How are clams, crabs, lobster, marlins, rabbits, oysters, sharks, ostrich, shrimp, catfish or turtles health hazards to eat anymore than eating tuna or bass?