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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Daniel I know most people are really missing your point(s). I believe it is possible that a deaf/mute can be baptized in Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost and (speak in an unknown tongue) without speaking out loud. That is for their salvation not for our edification anyway. Even if the person that baptizes them is a deaf/mute as well.
God sees and hears both's hearts.
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Simple enough ... don't have to agree w/ it all but at least it's an honest answer w/o all the defensiveness.
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05-21-2008, 10:37 AM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Simple enough ... don't have to agree w/ it all but at least it's an honest answer w/o all the defensiveness.
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Whew.......lol
I do get your point. The most wonderful thing though is God's GRACE.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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05-21-2008, 10:39 AM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Whew.......lol
I do get your point. The most wonderful thing though is God's GRACE.
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Amen ... not by our merits .... or tallys on the checklist ....
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05-21-2008, 03:19 PM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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As dumb as I may be ...
the frustration is on your part because you don't have an answer for a scenario that is within the limits of reason ...
We must assume God's plan of salvation is not for all.
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Dan I have a simple answer I have seen and heard God fill the deaf & dumb with the HG. The Answer is God can and will.
However in YOUR favorite passage Rom. 10:9 ......with the MOUTH confess made. Does that keep a person who is dumb from confessing with the mouth?
The wise man said "thou art snared by the words of thy mouth."
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05-21-2008, 03:51 PM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
Daniel,
There are very few deaf and dumb if any. They get the Holy Ghost the same way...I am not sure why you don't understand that.
LOL...
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05-21-2008, 03:54 PM
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Dan I have a simple answer I have seen and heard God fill the deaf & dumb with the HG. The Answer is God can and will.
However in YOUR favorite passage Rom. 10:9 ......with the MOUTH confess made. Does that keep a person who is dumb from confessing with the mouth?
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Calling on the name of the Lord is a figurative Hebraic expression, Steve .... it means placing faith in Jesus Christ ....
You really need to read more of my posts.
I believe that the deaf/mute would be saved by grace through faith by Him who knows the heart and whether the point of faith and repentnace is genuine even if they could not verbalize it or sign it.
Acts 3:19 and 1 John 5:1-14 are my favorite passages as they relate to soteriology, btw.
So much for your "GOTCHA"
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Calling on the name of the Lord is a figurative Hebraic expression, Steve .... it means placing faith in Jesus Christ ....
You really need to read more of my posts.
I believe that the deaf/mute would be saved by grace through faith by Him who knows the heart and whether the point of faith and repentnace is genuine.
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You one-stepper you! 
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05-21-2008, 07:11 PM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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When there are other ways to communicate Daniel, there should be no problems. No matter how many steps there are.
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Thank you sister
What she said!
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05-21-2008, 07:17 PM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
Speaking of not knowing Sign and all this other stuff. I was young but I remember being in a service where this woman got the Holy Ghost and while she was a walkie talkie, as we non deaf may be refered to, she had no knowledge of sign language and while she prayed in tongues, as the spirit gave her utterence, she signed. We had two women in our church who both knew enough about sign from college classes at ABI that could read it and knew what she was saying. It was very beautiful. It was large and expressive like you see in these 'shows' that we see put on in services these days with sign. This was probably 35 years ago. I will never forget it. When her brother-in-law got the Holy Ghost he started laughing and acted so drunk. They carried him to his car and his wife drive him home and put him to bed, she said he laughed almost all night and still got up with no trouble and went to work the next day.
Also remember a mentally retarded boy getting the Holy Ghost.
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05-21-2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Speaking of not knowing Sign and all this other stuff. I was young but I remember being in a service where this woman got the Holy Ghost and while she was a walkie talkie, as we non deaf may be refered to, she had no knowledge of sign language and while she prayed in tongues, as the spirit gave her utterence, she signed. We had two women in our church who both knew enough about sign from college classes at ABI that could read it and knew what she was saying. It was very beautiful. It was large and expressive like you see in these 'shows' that we see put on in services these days with sign. This was probably 35 years ago. I will never forget it. When her brother-in-law got the Holy Ghost he started laughing and acted so drunk. They carried him to his car and his wife drive him home and put him to bed, she said he laughed almost all night and still got up with no trouble and went to work the next day.
Also remember a mentally retarded boy getting the Holy Ghost.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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