Tulsa Report Day 2

[StMark]

Originally Posted by George

Out of curiosity and not for the purpose of debate or argument, if there is no money involved, how do they organize events? Who pays for the printing and postage of announced events? Do all ministers join to plan?

and do they preach for free ?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is the difference;
No officers
No by laws
No dues
No programs
No pressure
Just
prayer
praise
Priase Dancers
preaching
fellowship

Enough for me.

***shocking***

Praise dancers WOW!

Originally Posted by pelathais

With respect, whenever I hear something like this I find that the "drastic changes" never even happened. Maybe you are sincere, but this just strikes me as the kind of "competitive holiness" that is so insidious.

This sounds like Steadfast's accusation about "UPC" homosexuals "shacking up without ever even backsliding." Didn't happen. Pure and simple.

In fact, the only instance of tolerating homosexuality within the UPC that I ever knew to exist involved an on-again-off-again "Tulsa Coordinator."

Once again we see the Tulsa apologists and their "great spirit" and just how they take the "high road." Innuedo, half-truths and outright fabrications.

They did this after Youth Congress and they did this after General Conference. Just because they managed to forgo the constant character assassination for a few hours last week they want us to believe their rant about their "pure motives" and "right spirit."

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

WAY TO GO, PELATHAIS!!!! I couldn't have said it better!! But I would have tried.

Pelathais and Associates,

In this vast forum world there people of every kind and opinion. Opinions are great things that help form our personalities.

I have opinions. You have opinions. However, when those opinions impugn the character of another man it goes beyond to boundaries of good taste and into the realms of defamation.

It's obvious that your 'opinion' is that you don't agree with me. I'm a big boy on a faceless forum so that doesn't bother me. It would appear from past posts... as well as this one... that you don't much like me. Again, the richtor scale on my concern didn't register too much shaking in my frail heart over it.

However, to openly call me a liar is something that I don't intend to tolerate quietly. I frankly have no idea what you're talking about when you say something about UPC homosexuals shacking up without backsliding... however, to fabricate something like that did give you a great opportunity to smear Bro. TLC. Obviously, to call someone a liar is bad but to totally fabricate a lie to attack another good man? You, sir / ma'am, show well your character for what it is... and, honestly, it's not a good showing.

The closest I came to talking about 'UPC homosexuals shacking up without backsliding' was when someone questioned the validity of the convictions these men who are leaving might have. I spoke (listen carefully now, Pelathais, because details are important) about the dilemma I've faced in finding fellowship in just any Church.

One of the examples I spoke of was when I had a young person leave and shack up with her boyfriend and they were used in Church... even on the platform... just like nothing was wrong. This was stated in my prior post:

Yet, I've seen young people walk out of my Church to shack up with young men in other so called 'Apostolic' Churches... without ever 'backsliding'!

Where do you get 'homosexual' or 'UPC' out of that? Are you so bereft of literal arguments that you have to make things up to prove a point?

Thus to call me a liar either makes you (a) a horribly inaccurate mindreader (b) a miserably failed expert at 'reading between the lines' or (c) someone who doesn't mind twisting the words of others to attack a person (TLC) an organization (UPC) or a sincere conviction.

To be called a liar by someone with those credentials... well... it's almost an honor.

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

and do they preach for free ?

That is another good question. If they have a special meeting with a guest speaker, who pays him or is he informed there won't be any pay?

[George]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Pelathais and Associates,

In this vast forum world there people of every kind and opinion. Opinions are great things that help form our personalities.

I have opinions. You have opinions. However, when those opinions inpugn the character of another man it goes beyond to boundaries of good taste and into the realms of defamation.

It's obvious that your 'opinion' is that you don't agree with me. I'm a big boy on a faceless forum so that doesn't bother me. It would appear from past posts... as well as this one... that you don't much like me. Again, the richtor scale on my concern didn't register too much shaking in my frail heart over it.

However, to openly call me a liar is something that I don't intend to tolerate quietly. I frankly have no idea what you're talking about when you say something about UPC homosexuals shacking up without backsliding... however, to fabricate something like that did give you a great opportunity to smear Bro. TLC. Obviously, to call someone a liar is bad but to totally fabricate a lie to attack another good man? You, sir / ma'am, show well your character for what it is... and, honestly, it's not a good showing.

The closest I came to talking about 'UPC homosexuals shacking up without backsliding' was when someone questioned the validity of the convictions these men who are leaving might have. I spoke (listen carefully now, Pelathais, because details are important) about the dilemma I've faced in finding fellowship in just any Church.

One of the examples I spoke of was when I had a young person leave and shack up with her boyfriend and they were used in Church... even on the platform... just like nothing was wrong. This was stated in my prior post:


Where do you get 'homosexual' or 'UPC' out of that? Are you so bereft of literal arguments that you have to make things up to prove a point?

Thus to call me a liar either makes you (a) a horribly inaccurate mindreader (b) a miserably failed expert at 'reading between the lines' or (c) someone who doesn't mind twisting the words of others to attack a person (TLC) an organization (UPC) or a sincere conviction.

To be called a liar by someone with those credentials... well... it's almost an honor.

Mafia translation - shudda yo trap.
j/k pel

[connielori]

Originally Posted by StMark

You seem a little irritable tonight

hmmmmmmm....A little?

Remember our 'Simon Says' game..... LOL

[connielori]

Originally Posted by PastorD

Not at all. I say enough on here that gets me in trouble without someone that can't read misquoting.

So...who took the nice pic of you beating the ground at the end of your message? Your wife? ....was she wearing heels?

LOL

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Pelathais and Associates,

In this vast forum world there people of every kind and opinion. Opinions are great things that help form our personalities.

I have opinions. You have opinions. However, when those opinions impugn the character of another man it goes beyond to boundaries of good taste and into the realms of defamation.

It's obvious that your 'opinion' is that you don't agree with me. I'm a big boy on a faceless forum so that doesn't bother me. It would appear from past posts... as well as this one... that you don't much like me. Again, the richtor scale on my concern didn't register too much shaking in my frail heart over it.

However, to openly call me a liar is something that I don't intend to tolerate quietly. I frankly have no idea what you're talking about when you say something about UPC homosexuals shacking up without backsliding... however, to fabricate something like that did give you a great opportunity to smear Bro. TLC. Obviously, to call someone a liar is bad but to totally fabricate a lie to attack another good man? You, sir / ma'am, show well your character for what it is... and, honestly, it's not a good showing.

The closest I came to talking about 'UPC homosexuals shacking up without backsliding' was when someone questioned the validity of the convictions these men who are leaving might have. I spoke (listen carefully now, Pelathais, because details are important) about the dilemma I've faced in finding fellowship in just any Church.

One of the examples I spoke of was when I had a young person leave and shack up with her boyfriend and they were used in Church... even on the platform... just like nothing was wrong. This was stated in my prior post:


Where do you get 'homosexual' or 'UPC' out of that? Are you so bereft of literal arguments that you have to make things up to prove a point?

Thus to call me a liar either makes you (a) a horribly inaccurate mindreader (b) a miserably failed expert at 'reading between the lines' or (c) someone who doesn't mind twisting the words of others to attack a person (TLC) an organization (UPC) or a sincere conviction.

To be called a liar by someone with those credentials... well... it's almost an honor.

Somebody got skewered in a sore spot... oh, my my!!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by George

Out of curiosity and not for the purpose of debate or argument, if there is no money involved, how do they organize events? Who pays for the printing and postage of announced events? Do all ministers meet to plan?

There is a group of men who initiated the meeting and steer the meeting they are the steering committee they decide the dates and who preaches and see that they get paid. Offerings are taken to cover expenses. The committee is not promoted nor do they have any offices. It was their burden and it is their meeting like meetings all across the nation. There never was an intent to organize and now 5 years later the feeling is the same. I personally know every member on this committee and some are personal friends for years. They are happy just to have church.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by StMark

and do they preach for free ?

They paid me I cannot vouch for anyone else?