Wedding Rings

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

The Holy Spirit was not poured out upon all of humanity as prophesied in Joel.

Another interesting note on this verse in John ... quoted by T... is that it does not say given ... in the original text ... that's why it's in brackets ...

it should read as it does many other translations as the Holy Ghost had not yet come ...

it may seem like parsing words .. but if I say something has not yet been given it connotes 'something new' ... of course the manifestation of the HG upon all flesh ... had not yet come ... but it does not take away from the other visitations and infillings of the Spirit of God throughout the OT. The promise had not come because Jesus was still not yet glorified.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

The Holy Spirit was not poured out upon all of humanity as prophesied in Joel.

and?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

and?

what he said above.

[SDG]

The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible

for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given];

the word "given" is not in the original text; but is very properly supplied, as it is in the Vulgate Latin, Syriac, and Persic versions. The Arabic version renders it, "for the Holy Ghost was not yet come";

he was; he was in being as a divine person, equal with the Father and Son, so he was from everlasting; and he had been bestowed in his grace upon the Old Testament saints, and rested in his gifts upon the prophets of that dispensation; but, as the Jews themselves confess F6,

``after the death of the latter prophets, Haggai, Zachariah, and Malachi, the Holy Ghost removed from Israel.''

And they expressly say, be was not there in the time of the second temple. Maimonides says F7,

``they made the Urim and Thummim in the second temple, to complete the eight garments (of the priests) though they did not inquire by them; and why did they not inquire by them? because the Holy Ghost was not there; and every priest that does not speak by the Holy Ghost, and the Shekinah, does not dwell upon him, they do not inquire by him.''

They observe F8 there were five things in the first temple which were not in the second, and they are these,

``the ark with the mercy seat, and cherubim, the fire (from heaven), and the Shekinah, (vdwqh xwrw) , "and the Holy Ghost", and the Urim and Thummim.''

Now, though he had removed, he was to return again; but as yet the time was not come, at least for the more plentiful donation of him: the reason of which was,

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Another interesting note on this verse in John ... quoted by T... is that it does not say given ... in the original text ... that's why it's in brackets ...

it should read as it does many other translations at the Holy Ghost had not yet come ...

it may seem like parsing words .. but if I say something has not yet been given it connotes 'something new' ... of course the manifestation of the HG upon all flesh ... had not yet come ... but it does not take away from the other visitations and infillings of the Spirit of God throughout the OT.

so you feel when Peter preached on Pentecost and said this that it had already been given long before?

seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day.


Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;


Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:


Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:


Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I am a preacher Brother Eastman as is my husband though we are not pastoring at the present time.Years ago when I got into church I was engaged to be married and did a study on wedding rings as some pastors
teach against them and some are for them.
I am going to direct this dialogue to you only and refrain from any arguments.
First of all I prayed about it.I did have a very nice antique set at my disposal as my fiance's adopted mother had died and he wanted to use those if we did use rings.He loved her dearly and she him.They were elderly when he was adopted so the rings were very valuable in market value and sentiment.

Here are reasons I decided against it.
1.The very first time a ring is mentioned in the bible its given by Pharoh to Joseph.It was a ring of authority.Pharoh was not a Jew but a pagan.Thus the ring did not have Godly sentiments.
2.Wedding rings are said to be round as the marriage and union is said to be eternal.This is untrue because truthfully the marriage vows end at death
or in our day at divorce which make it shamefully sad so I think.
3.The wearing of gold has always been associated with divinity.

I will post more later.I have a life and its sunny Saturday in Florida.

*Bump for Trouvere* I responded to this post with post# 300. I still await more of your input as you've suggested.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

what he said above.

Berkeley I don't believe you even looked that up.I think you are eating something.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

so you feel when Peter preached on Pentecost and said this that it had already been given long before?

seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day.


Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;


Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:


Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:


Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

God is a Spirit ... he's holy too ... ie the Holy Spirit ....

He's always been and he has filled many in the OT w/ his Spirit ... the Spirit is the same .... T.....

In our movement we have made the HG an it ... and it's HIM.

the promise of which Peter refers to, as prophesied in the OT, is what is unique ... that HIS SPIRIT would be poured out upon all flesh ....

[SDG]

it is for this reason Peter reiterates the promise ....

verse 39

39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible

for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given];

the word "given" is not in the original text; but is very properly supplied, as it is in the Vulgate Latin, Syriac, and Persic versions. The Arabic version renders it, "for the Holy Ghost was not yet come";

he was; he was in being as a divine person, equal with the Father and Son, so he was from everlasting; and he had been bestowed in his grace upon the Old Testament saints, and rested in his gifts upon the prophets of that dispensation; but, as the Jews themselves confess F6,

``after the death of the latter prophets, Haggai, Zachariah, and Malachi, the Holy Ghost removed from Israel.''

And they expressly say, be was not there in the time of the second temple. Maimonides says F7,

``they made the Urim and Thummim in the second temple, to complete the eight garments (of the priests) though they did not inquire by them; and why did they not inquire by them? because the Holy Ghost was not there; and every priest that does not speak by the Holy Ghost, and the Shekinah, does not dwell upon him, they do not inquire by him.''

They observe F8 there were five things in the first temple which were not in the second, and they are these,

``the ark with the mercy seat, and cherubim, the fire (from heaven), and the Shekinah, (vdwqh xwrw) , "and the Holy Ghost", and the Urim and Thummim.''

Now, though he had removed, he was to return again; but as yet the time was not come, at least for the more plentiful donation of him: the reason of which was,

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