The Folly of an Open Mind - Page 5

Praxeas · #41 10-20-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

"We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ," II Corinthians 10:5

And? Great verse but what do you think it proves or who do you think it disproves?

Nahum · #42 10-21-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

PP Truth is Truth. If you are not open minded then you lack a love for truth. Why wouldn't God want us open to the truth? Being open to the truth is OPEN MINDEDNESS.

Why should I watch or read those things? They are fiction. That has nothing to do with open mindedness. You are totally misusing the term.

If you read what I said you would NEVER have made this post. Open mindedness is not accepting everything. It's being OPEN to examining what evidence or proofs they HAVE. In other words someone without an open mind NEVER would have looked at you evidence that the Oneness is true and Trinity is not.

An open minded person would objectively look at what a Trinitarian has to say and see if it is true or not. You are saying being open minded is accepting the Trinity without proof and you are wrong. That is not what being Open minded means.

Then you say of all things "how do you know what the facts are?"???? You look AT the facts. You don't accept something as true. You take an objective logical intelligent look AT the facts and the evidences...this is kinda funny for you to ask since you implied initially that someone that is open minded would accept something without proof. Facts form the basis of proving things.

You miss my point Prax. My question is "how far does your open-mindedness stretch?" Is there a limit to it? Are there some thoughts, ideas, and viewpoints you refuse to entertain, or are you totally open-minded?

SDG · #43 10-21-2007, 12:01 AM

Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, "I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!" Mark 9:24

What did Jesus do ... smack him over the head w/ your doubt is sin ... or did he answer his prayer???

Thus helping his unbelief???

Praxeas · #44 10-21-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I would agree that there are questions for clarification ... for better understanding ... But John the Baptist's question is wrought w/ doubt.

Are you ... or should we ???

I don't know....remember John was in prison and could not see who this person was. John knew he would die and was to point his followers to the Messiah. He sent disciples to ask if this person was he that was to come. John was not doubting He was the Messiah....he really did not know.

Nahum · #45 10-21-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

See Thomas ....

Had to see to believe.

Seems to me John the Baptist was questioning his divinity, also.

Thomas is a horrible example. His doubt was sin.

Praxeas · #46 10-21-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know....remember John was in prison and could not see who this person was. John knew he would die and was to point his followers to the Messiah. He sent disciples to ask if this person was he that was to come. John was not doubting He was the Messiah....he really did not know.

lack of knowledge or information is not necessarily doubt is it?

Nahum · #47 10-21-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, "I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!" Mark 9:24

What did Jesus do ... smack him over the head w/ you doubt is sin ... or did he answer his prayer???

Doubt lost, Faith won.

It really is that simple.

Nahum · #48 10-21-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

And? Great verse but what do you think it proves or who do you think it disproves?

My point is that some thoughts should be taken prisoner.

Locked up.

SDG · #49 10-21-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know....remember John was in prison and could not see who this person was. John knew he would die and was to point his followers to the Messiah. He sent disciples to ask if this person was he that was to come. John was not doubting He was the Messiah....he really did not know.

He didn't know ??? His life's mission was to prepare the way of the Messiah ...

29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, 21 who takes away the sin of the world. 30 22 He is the one of whom I said, 'A man is coming after me who ranks ahead of me because he existed before me.' 31 I did not know him, 23 but the reason why I came baptizing with water was that he might be made known to Israel." 32 John testified further, saying, "I saw the Spirit come down like a dove 24 from the sky and remain upon him. 33 I did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, 'On whomever you see the Spirit come down and remain, he is the one who will baptize with the holy Spirit.' 34 25 Now I have seen and testified that he is the Son of God." 35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples, 36 and as he watched Jesus walk by, he said, "Behold, the Lamb of God." 26 37 The two disciples 27 heard what he said and followed Jesus.

vrblackwell · #50 10-21-2007, 12:05 AM

Being open minded must not be to bad of a thing. Peter and the other disciples had an open mind when Paul argued that the gentiles need not be circumcised.

He had to have an open mind to except this.

Also, Peter had an open mind when he saw the vision of unclean meat while praying and was told to "arise, kill and eat. If his mind would have been closed he would have passed it off as not being from God. After all, this went against everything that he as a Jew was to do.

If the Jewish people would have had an open mind they would not have missed the Messiah when He came unto them.