Has The UPCI Served It's Purpose.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Right. I think the Apostolic culture has fooled themselves into thinking they hold some elite position because their doctrine is truth and it is supposed to draw, the spirit they exude is supposed to draw, their separation is supposed to draw, GOD, WE ARE THE PEOPLE...YOUR ONLY PEOPLE!!!

The blunt realization after two-three generations of this thinking is hopefully beginning to dawn on some folks, that the UPC and even moreso, their constituency is in dire need of significance, despite their perceived elitism.

Carp, more than anything they are in need of "a demonstration of the Holy Ghost and power."

Although you may not agree, I think if that were to actually happen the UPCI would see great revival without any program. JMHO.

[vrblackwell]

Originally Posted by rrford

Oh sure. Like giving a license to "music ministers."

For the most part licensing guidelines of any substance are left up to the individual District.

There is something in the works about makin more requirements. I will try and find out more about it.

Elitism. Like "Ye are MY people"?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Help me understand here- are you upset that your Father did not make sweeping changes in the time he was there, or are you upset at what you perceive as no change happenning now?

Do you have source for the 2002 article you referred to?

Here is the link to the article: http://www.ninetyandnine.com/Archive...0121/cover.htm

I would just suggest that changes need to be made today for the organization to be relevant.

There were changes my Dad made in the UPCI in the 17 years (1961-1978) he was in the organization.

When he started teaching "Soul Sleep" vs going directly to heaven.

In the mid 1960's, maybe 5% of the organization understood or believed in it.

By the late 1970's and from his ability to teach it at all many of the UPCI bible colleges.

It has grown within the organization.

My Dad was for TV in the Mid 1970's.

We were at Mark Hanby's.

My Dad was the Dean of Theology at Hanby's Wideworld of Ministries.

We left Ft. Worth under the immense pressure from men in the UPCI on my Dad.

Mark Hanby told my mom at my Dad's funeral in March 1978.

He said John Eckstadt was a man of revelation and insight.

I witnessed Mark Hanby, Nathaniel Urshan talking at the funeral.

Mark Hanby with tear's in his eye's.

We can all talk as the years have poured on top of each other.

So many things could be different if men stopped trying to put out each fire that comes along.

With each fire put out there is no new message:

Nathan Eckstadt

Just think where you COULD be if you hadn't left Ft. Worth.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Garfield

Just think where you COULD be if you hadn't left Ft. Worth.

Not sure where that comment rest in your thoughts.

Many men were left behind by the organization that I witnessed as a boy.

My Dad drove us off in the sunset to Cincinnati, Ohio.

To fulfill a dream of his to pastor in Cincinnati, Ohio.

He had a close friend from Cincinnati named Frank F Curts who died in 1969.

Here is a link to one of the split off churches from Bro Curts.

Open the link it gives great history into Bro Curts.

http://www.firstap.org/history.shtml

See they had 900 members in Cincinnati in the late 1960's.

When Bro Curts in his 80's died from getting hit by a car.

The church split into groups.

As men tried to rally members to follow them.

Without direction Cincinnati for 5 decades has been the one of the hardest cities to pastor a UPCI church.

When my mom went to the cemetary to find a plot for my Dad.

There was a block for minister's but it had been listed as full for over 8 years.

Then they called and told her they found a double plot.

Where 2 could be buried.

It was listed as not open for years.

We choose the plots.

When we walked the gardens to my Dad's grave in March 1978.

Mark Hanby, Nathaniel Urshan, Wayne McClain, John Cupit, TW Barnes and some 150 plus other ministers.

We found Bro. Frank Curts burial 3 Graves to the right of my Dad.

We did not know he was buried there....

So one happy moment will be when they raise on the resurrection morning.

They are both facing the eastern sky and will be standing shoulder to shoulder as they meet Christ.

Nathan Eckstadt

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Garfield

Elitism. Like "Ye are MY people"?

Never turn your back on a man annointing his own head.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by rrford

Carp, more than anything they are in need of "a demonstration of the Holy Ghost and power."

Although you may not agree, I think if that were to actually happen the UPCI would see great revival without any program. JMHO.

No, I do agree. The problem is that the UPC is soooo steeped in its own culture, it is sad that in the end it could be all they have left.

You and I have both experienced a prophesied, "Demonstration of the Holy Ghost and Power..." for decades, preacher upon preacher, revival upon revival, conference upon conference... What do you think is inhibiting this? I have a pretty good idea.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

My Dad drove us off in the sunset to Cincinnati, Ohio.

To fulfill a dream of his to pastor in Cincinnati, Ohio.

He had a close friend from Cincinnati named Frank F Curts who died in 1969.

Here is a link to one of the split off churches from Bro Curts.


Nathan Eckstadt

Nathan, Bro. Curts was a mentor to my pastor, G.D. Thompson who pastored in Ohio City, Van Wert and Columbus. He used to tell me numerous stories about Bro. Curts. He respected him highly, especially during his trying times.

Thank God for wonderful men!!!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Nathan, Bro. Curts was a mentor to my pastor, G.D. Thompson who pastored in Ohio City, Van Wert and Columbus. He used to tell me numerous stories about Bro. Curts. He respected him highly, especially during his trying times.

Thank God for wonderful men!!!

Can you imagine a choir dressed like this now?
I bet it WAS dapper for that time.