*d-day: September 28th, 2007 - Conservatives Will Take The Hill*

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Amos

I on the other hand think it will pass.

May I ask what has led you to think that?





Maybe my circle is too limited?

[Felicity]

If the UPC keeps bleeding licensed and ordained ministers I'm wondering how they're going to stay afloat considering the fact that fewer younger men are getting on board.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The worst thing that ever happened to the UPCI was not TV but the internet.

By allowing it ... they not opened the door to an inconsistent argument over allowing a "dangerous and worldly" medium in the home ... but also in allowing a medium that will result in it's long awaited rift.

Men, women, and teens have been bombarded with information that not only challenges the tenets of their faith but has heightened the ideological debate within the fellowship to a hysterical frenzy.

Email, websites, chat, IMs, blogs, forums, youtube, streaming video and audio .... have replaced the snail mail, newsletters, and other forms of print that were used to propagandize the dueling views within the fellowship and the divergent opinions among the people.

Some ministers have said that now matter what they do ... in almost every fellowship they partake of ... the issues dividing the fellowship inevitably come up ... and the difference today ... is everyone seems to know more than they ever did about the arguments being presented on all sides.

But, but, but...you can put filters on the internet! You can't do that on the TV! You can't control what you see on your TV!! The internet is only used for informational purposes!!! The personal responsiblity I claim to have when it comes to the internet does not work on the filthy TV!!!!


Just trying to get the arguments out of the way.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

what part don't you agree with?

You have to ask Mal?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

I wonder why none of these folks that are leaving the UPC are going to the ALJC? You would think they would want a Org that at least holds a similar doctrinal position.

This is telling to me, as if you consider it, most of them are leaving standards as well as the UPC, and can easily be accepted by NCO and AWCF. The ALJC, though not aggressive, still has a semblance of holiness within its constituency. The other issue I see is that they (NCO) are embracing trinitarians, or at least having them minister in their pulpits. The dividing line is becoming increasingly blurred as to what is Truth. I predict that in the future the division between the NCO folks, and trinitarians will be erased completely.

I have family who are ALJC and have been told that some from that org are leaving as well...some are aligning with the UPCI...

[Felicity]

Love love love the internet.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

thats quite a slam on many pioneer preachers who have poured their lives into building what we currently have now.... its also unfair to say that anyone who opposes TV has their "head in the sand"....

that is your opinion, i view it as practical, when you have been in the church for almost 40 years like i have, you will see things differently maybe and no one has more respect for the pioneers than me, i knew a lot of them and my grandfather was one of them, i think like he did, dt

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Barb

I have family who are ALJC and have been told that some from that org are leaving as well...some are aligning with the UPCI...

So much upheaval! We rarely discuss the rumors of a UPC/ALJC merger if it passes. September 28th will be an historic day for all of Oneness Pentecostalism in my opinion.

I'm only 39, but I've never seen the like!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

If the UPC keeps bleeding licensed and ordained ministers I'm wondering how they're going to stay afloat considering the fact that fewer younger men are getting on board.

Again, less than 5% of our ministers are under 30.

[revrandy]

I could understand the advent of the Internet changing the church..

Is it God's Hand bringing about change that is what I want to know..

Everybody has an answer or opinion concerning Change but where is the Hand of God?

Is it the Will of God this process needs to happen?

Will it bring about a greater revival?

If it doesn't pass and folks leave
The Ultra Conservitives consider it a purging of the Lord of worldliness ...
The Liberals Consider it Control and Divisive

If it does pass..
The Ultra Conservative consider it a time to go and let the UPC go it's worldly ways to it's destruction..

The Liberals consider it a sign from the Lord that they will bring Revival to the Land..

So interesting... one way or the other...