Reality Check on Bound and Unbound Delegates

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Your point A is just silly.

His argument on both videos is the information he received from the RNC Legal Counsel: "The RNC does not recognize a state's binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose. The National Convention allows delegates to vote for the individual, regardless of whether the person's name is officially placed into nomination or not." Jennifer Sheehan, Legal Counsel for the RNC.

The Bottom line is that both parties - Democrats and Republicans - are NOT government agencies - they are private organizations. Therefore, voting within a party is NOT bound by election law.

WRONG. He never cites anything at all about the RNC legal counsel in that first video.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

WRONG. He never cites anything at all about the RNC legal counsel in that first video.

He said he got his info from Fair Vote and that is the same info he stands by from video one.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Ron Paul has won the GOP Oklahoma convention with 34/43 delegates. That means over 2/3 of the Oklahoma delegates will go to the Republican National Convention NOT supporting Mitt Romney.

Brokered Convention here we come!!!

Read a little more on what was happening at the Oklahoma Convention:

"they adjourned without a majority after not even following the proper rules for electing delegates and possibly Chairman, etc. Then they locked the doors and now I believe hundreds of people are having their own convention in the parking lot and following GOP procedures. This is craziness! Perhaps none of the delegates from OK will count now. (which may be what the GOP wanted) We will find out more soon hopefully. Also, there were 400 more delegates voting than were registered! Here we go again..."

"Looks like Chair was not counting the Nay's and failing to elect delegates properly. Moving to parking lot,"

More detail:

GOP Parking Lot Conventions

May 12, 2012 - Today's Oklahoma State Convention was full of excitement. The entire event was streamed live by Paul supporters and watched by thousands. There were delegate voting discrepancies leading to shouting, chanting, and even a punch was thrown.

http://pitthat.com/content/gop-parking-lot-conventions

[Pressing-On]

UPDATE: Comments by National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton regarding RNC Rule 11

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Furthering the conversation. More information I received.

Why Reince Priebus must resign as RNC chair and why Mitt Romney may not be able to be the GOP nominee at ALL now.

RULE NO. 11

Candidate Support

(a) The Republican National Committee shall not, without the prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to any candidate for any public or party office except the nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing deadline for that office. In those states where state law establishes a nonpartisan primary in which Republican candidates could participate, but in which the general election may not include a Republican candidate, the candidate endorsed by a convention held under the authority of the state Republican Party shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the Republican nominee.

(b) No state Republican Party rule or state law shall be observed that allows persons who have participated or are participating in the selection of any nominee of a party other than the Republican Party, including, but not limited to, through the use of a multiparty primary or similar type ballot, to participate in the selection of a nominee of the Republican Party for that general election. No person nominated in violation of this rule shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the nominee of the Republican Party from that state.

Since Mitt Romney does not have 1,144 delegates (therefore the first condition holds) and Ron Paul is still in the race (therefore the second condition also holds), Mitt Romney is not the Republican Party Nominee.

As a result Reince Priebus and Mitt Romney have violated Rule 11 of the GOP rules (see attached screenshot from the Mitt Romney site) and check out the finer text at Mitt’s campaign site (https://www.mittromney.com/donate ): “Already hit your limit? If you’ve given the maximum of $2,500 for the primary and $2,500 for the general election to Romney for President, you can still give to the Romney Victory fund, our joint fundraising committee with the Republican National Committee by clicking here.”

And Rule 11 is very clear that no one nominated in violation of Rule 11 can be considered a nominee from a state EVEN IF “prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved” has been received.

Therefore, as long as Romney doesn’t currently have 1,144 delegates from the state that have already certified their state’s nominee, he’s not the nominee because the other states can’t certify him now.

A motion has already been entered to remove Reince Priebus from his chairmanship as a result: http://www.pr.com/press-release/410950

http://api.ning.com/files/taoKz6SSEH...ES_Adopted.pdf

http://api.ning.com/files/p2PfcInO**...RuleDebate.pdf

http://api.ning.com/files/nPhjk3CdWY...screenshot.jpg

Ron Paul Campaign Statement Concerning RNC Rule 11

“Chairman Priebus has always treated Dr. Paul and our team with respect, and we appreciate his leadership.” – Jesse Benton

“In April, the RNC asked our campaign for our blessing to begin assembling the Victory organization Republicans will require to guarantee a win in the fall. Building such an operation is no small undertaking, and our Party needed to build in a few months what the incumbent president has been building for four years.

“The RNC offered to set up a joint fundraising committee with the Paul campaign and were very clear that if Dr. Paul became the nominee, the Victory Operation would be behind him 100 percent. They also were clear that they would hold off if our campaign objected. I gave my full consent for the RNC to move forward.

“Chairman Priebus has always treated Dr. Paul and our team with respect, and we appreciate his leadership. He has been an outstanding chairman and has our full confidence.”

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/1...ng-rnc-rule-11