My First Gay Thread

[canam]

The only reference i have are the quotes of two gay women ,one a professional basketball player ,Sheryl Swoopes and two the girlfriend of Ellen Degenerates, both of whom said, they wern't born gay ,they much "preferred" women to men.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ya, that does seem to run in the family. I've known multiple generations who never worked -they all seemed to have "back problems" and collected their unemployment/welfare checks monthly.

They all seemed to have the big 6-8 foot satellite dishes in their front yard as well.

That's pretty much a way of life now:

http://images.alphacoders.com/844/8449.jpg

Warning, there's a guy named Randy with his shirt off in that pic. Otherwise, it's ok.

The guy with the thick glasses standing in the middle is Bubbles, I think he might be just a 1-stepper, but I'm not sure.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

I would like to put my 2 cents in if I may, I highlighted and emboldened a statement above that I would like to touch on.

I guess its about time I say where I stand on the whole "homosexual" issue, since I seem to chime in a lot when a thread has something to do with the topic.

I guess I will go ahead and come out of my closet on the board, I am a gay man, and YES I was "born this way" if that's what you want to call it. I have had nothing in my past to "make" me gay, I didn't wake up one morning and "choose" to be gay, I just have always had an attraction to the same gender, I noticed it very early on in life. I was raised in a very strict home, I was raised as a typical "guy" I played sports, I played with boy toys, I listened to preachers decry "gays" from the pulpit, I had it deeply embedded from a very young age that homosexuality was wrong.

I fought with my feelings for many years, I spent countless hours on my face before God begging Him to change me. I sought help, I even endured preachers trying to cast the "spirit of homosexuality" out of me.

I did everything right, I prayed, I pleaded, I fasted, I cried out, and finally after many years, GOD CHANGED ME!!!! No, he didn't make me heterosexual, he didn't change my orientation, he didn't take away my desires, but He let me understand that He LOVES ME just the way HE created me!

Since that day, the day I became real with God, He has been so real to me.
I know that 99.9% of you will disagree with me, but You are not me, you haven't walked in my shoes, so you cannot even touch me with your doubts.

I know that I am accepted by my Father and I know that I am living in His will for my life, I am living out my calling and I am reaching people for the kingdom that most "pentecostals" would rather throw away.

I know that My Lord is able to keep me unto the day of redemption, I praise the Lord that I have been born again, my sins were washed away when I went down in His name over 20 years ago and I know that I was confirmed as His child when He baptized me in the precious Holy Ghost!!

I am open to talking with anyone, the bible admonishes us to "reason together".

Thank you for hearing my weigh in on the topic and May God bless all of you!

Now, If you want to burn me at the stake, you will just be sending me Home to be with Jesus sooner, and if you want to ban me from the board then that's your right, but at least let me know first!!!

Your Fellow-servant in the harvest,
Pastor TLART

Born that way has been disproven at many levels.
Born that way is in biblical terms blaimig God.

Even in secular Psych circles defining homosexuality, diagnosis of paraphilias and other maladaptive behaviors show no record of born that way. Freud wrote about psyco-sexual development and his gay daughter took the godless notions of lust, desire and disregard for the "spul" and concept of sin farther.

Actually ann Freud was the one that wrote about the Freudian defnese mechanisms. Shwe had a patient get a divorce and then she moved in with the woman and children and tried to take over a family. I know a youn man who is married. His parents had 2 children. They divorced after 15 years and she dated a woman and got married when it became legal in her state. An example of changes.

All identical twins have the matching skin color. In monozygotic twins, if one is gay, only 50% of the time are both gay. Remember they have the same environment before birth and early childhood. Homosexuality is a complex xet of behaviors and preferences. They can't ever be explaned by a gene.

The gay movement is loaded with dishonest claims in many facets.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by llambert

Hello everyone:

I don't post here much, but this caught my attention.

This link gives info on people who were once homosexual and have had total freedom:

http://www.lifeministry.org/- The woman who is the CEO of the ministry was in lesbianism for 10 years (her lesbian lover broke her heart). Just about all of their staff were also at one point homosexual (one leader was a pastor while having a male lover who broke up with him in the same week that he tested positive for HIV). I have met these people and believe that they are totally heterosexual now. This ministry started in NYC and has gone international with works in London, Colorado Springs, Latin, Central and South America

I have not met anyone from this next ministry, but I get the sense that there are testimonies of total deliverance to be found here as well:

http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/founder.html

Again, I don't know for certain, but I suspect that there may be testimonies of total deliverance from homosexuality in the mormon religion and in Islam as well.

This book

http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Aesthetic-Re...rback-/2774099also documents a secular movement that cured people from homosexuality

There is also a college student movement called Passion for Christ that has people giving their testimonies (although I don't know if any of these people are totally free or if they still deal with unwanted same sex attractions):

http://p4cm.com/p4cmwp/

Also, here is a good resource book from a pastor who is (I think) connected to COGIC, for ministry to the gay and lesbian community:

http://www.amazon.com/Ministering-Gr.../dp/076842268X

Finally, aren't there some people who post on here who were once attracted to the same sex and are now completely heterosexual? I seem to remember reading someone writing about this awhile back. There are probably people like this in our churches, but they may not feel led to share their testimonies publically. If you pray and ask around, God will lead you to these people who are right there in the church.

Homosexuality is a very heated issue and any discussion of it can bring up a lot of pain on all sides. It seems to me that if we're going to discuss it, we should refrain from sarcasm, assumption, coarse joking, accusation/blame and really listen to what each other is saying. To me if we can't yet have that kind of gracious and mature discussion on the topic, we should refrain from posting and just pray and ask God to guide us in how to listen and speak.

You know I really don't know why it is and if you'd look at the media you'd think it was a "heated issue" moreso because of the "hate preachers" like us Pentecostals and those pesky southern baptists who preach against sin. Truth is though, the passion is FAR more inflamed by the other side. Sin is sin, and as long as sin is sin and God requires holiness I'll stand on God's word and declare that sin is sin. I don't care if it's fornication, adultery, pornography, etc it's sin. There's no "fornication" parades however. People don't run around wearing shirts reading "I just fornicated last night" or "fornication pride". Most of the "sensitivity" comes from the very fact that this particular sin has been magnified and celebrated by the media to push an anti-family agenda. That's why when people say "be careful" about how you address this issue I tend to ignore it. It should be no more controversal then lying, bestiality, fornication, adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, etc. God hates those things as he does all sin. So I will preach against all sin, including homosexuality.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

You know I really don't know why it is and if you'd look at the media you'd think it was a "heated issue" moreso because of the "hate preachers" like us Pentecostals and those pesky southern baptists who preach against sin. Truth is though, the passion is FAR more inflamed by the other side. Sin is sin, and as long as sin is sin and God requires holiness I'll stand on God's word and declare that sin is sin. I don't care if it's fornication, adultery, pornography, etc it's sin. There's no "fornication" parades however. People don't run around wearing shirts reading "I just fornicated last night" or "fornication pride". Most of the "sensitivity" comes from the very fact that this particular sin has been magnified and celebrated by the media to push an anti-family agenda. That's why when people say "be careful" about how you address this issue I tend to ignore it. It should be no more controversal then lying, bestiality, fornication, adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, etc. God hates those things as he does all sin. So I will preach against all sin, including homosexuality.

*sigh*

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

You know I really don't know why it is and if you'd look at the media you'd think it was a "heated issue" moreso because of the "hate preachers" like us Pentecostals and those pesky southern baptists who preach against sin. Truth is though, the passion is FAR more inflamed by the other side. Sin is sin, and as long as sin is sin and God requires holiness I'll stand on God's word and declare that sin is sin. I don't care if it's fornication, adultery, pornography, etc it's sin. There's no "fornication" parades however. People don't run around wearing shirts reading "I just fornicated last night" or "fornication pride". Most of the "sensitivity" comes from the very fact that this particular sin has been magnified and celebrated by the media to push an anti-family agenda. That's why when people say "be careful" about how you address this issue I tend to ignore it. It should be no more controversal then lying, bestiality, fornication, adultery, lying, cheating, stealing, etc. God hates those things as he does all sin. So I will preach against all sin, including homosexuality.

I wonder if adultery and fornication runs in the genes? Maybe in the jeans!

Been Thinkin

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

I would like to put my 2 cents in if I may, I highlighted and emboldened a statement above that I would like to touch on.

I guess its about time I say where I stand on the whole "homosexual" issue, since I seem to chime in a lot when a thread has something to do with the topic.

I guess I will go ahead and come out of my closet on the board, I am a gay man, and YES I was "born this way" if that's what you want to call it. I have had nothing in my past to "make" me gay, I didn't wake up one morning and "choose" to be gay, I just have always had an attraction to the same gender, I noticed it very early on in life. I was raised in a very strict home, I was raised as a typical "guy" I played sports, I played with boy toys, I listened to preachers decry "gays" from the pulpit, I had it deeply embedded from a very young age that homosexuality was wrong.

I fought with my feelings for many years, I spent countless hours on my face before God begging Him to change me. I sought help, I even endured preachers trying to cast the "spirit of homosexuality" out of me.

I did everything right, I prayed, I pleaded, I fasted, I cried out, and finally after many years, GOD CHANGED ME!!!! No, he didn't make me heterosexual, he didn't change my orientation, he didn't take away my desires, but He let me understand that He LOVES ME just the way HE created me!

Since that day, the day I became real with God, He has been so real to me.
I know that 99.9% of you will disagree with me, but You are not me, you haven't walked in my shoes, so you cannot even touch me with your doubts.

I know that I am accepted by my Father and I know that I am living in His will for my life, I am living out my calling and I am reaching people for the kingdom that most "pentecostals" would rather throw away.

I know that My Lord is able to keep me unto the day of redemption, I praise the Lord that I have been born again, my sins were washed away when I went down in His name over 20 years ago and I know that I was confirmed as His child when He baptized me in the precious Holy Ghost!!

I am open to talking with anyone, the bible admonishes us to "reason together".

Thank you for hearing my weigh in on the topic and May God bless all of you!

Now, If you want to burn me at the stake, you will just be sending me Home to be with Jesus sooner, and if you want to ban me from the board then that's your right, but at least let me know first!!!

Your Fellow-servant in the harvest,
Pastor TLART

Shows, if not careful, how deceived we can become.

[PastorTLArt]

Originally Posted by Admin

An introduction to AFF policy for newbies and refresher for others:


From the Admin of the Apostolic Friends Forum

As Christians, our response to the issue of homosexuality is twofold:

1. Homosexuality is one of many sins that bring destruction and pain to the life of the sinner. There can be no positive outcome of sin, so compassion for the sinner requires that we lovingly apprise them of their need for change. Withholding truth from the lost is not a loving or compassionate response to their state. Therefore the forum will not shy away from noting what is sin from a scriptural standpoint, providing that truth is shared in love.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2. The Christian response to a sinner should be the same, no matter what the sin. We should respond with a biblically based solution that illustrates clearly the sinful nature of any particular deed, and also clearly illustrates the compassionate response of Christ to sin. He offers forgiveness to the repentant, plain and simple, and new life in Him. It is not judgmental to acknowledge what is sin, and in fact it is destructive to turn a blind eye to sin. If the lost are not convinced that they are in a position of estrangement from God, they will never be able to come to a place of repentance and be a recipient of His mercy. Therefore, as Christians, both on this forum, and in our personal lives, we should seek to lead sinners to repentance, so they might find new life in Christ.

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.


II Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

As forum Admin, we will not allow the gay agenda to be pushed on this forum. Meaning, we will not allow a constant barrage of rhetoric designed to make those who adhere to biblical values and scriptural truths feel guilty or inferior. We will not allow a push for acceptance of the gay agenda and lifestyle, and call a rejection thereof a rejection of the individual. They are not one and the same, and should not be treated as such. A rejection of sin is not a rejection of the sinner.

We will not allow a defense of the gay agenda and lifestyle by more liberal leaning minds, or overt criticism toward those who don't practice a similar tolerance for sin.

There are numerous forums online where the gay agenda can be openly proclaimed, even within Christian ranks. There are numerous Christian groups (using the term loosely) who have decided to accept practicing homosexuals as brethren, and perhaps feel they are practicing the love of Christ in doing so. We feel they err, because the love of Christ involves freeing a soul from sin; not encouraging the soul to continue to wallow in the mire.

Therefore, while we allow debate and discussion on the AFF, and we encourage anyone to join who shares an interest in Apostolic topics and concerns, we will not allow an overt attack on biblical values and truths, and upon the character of those who live and preach the same.

Hopefully this will help clarify the forum's position on the matter, and frame future debates.

Just to state my intent, The ONLY agenda I have is called the Word of the Lord, My AGENDA is to Preach repentance of sin, baptism in Jesus name and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Aside from that I have absolutely NO other agenda. I did not make my reply to promote anything but to simply answer a question posed to the board.

I respect everyone's belief and I understand that most of you do not accept me as a brother, and that is your right, But as to your opening with "as christians", that should in all honestly say "as Christians who believe that homosexuality is a sin" because not all Christians believe as you do, I have seen enough on the board to see that not all OP's on here totally agree, Some believe that trinitarians are unsaved, some don't. There are many things that we believe that are just that, personal beliefs.

I am not here to promote an agenda. I am here to fellowship with Brothers and Sisters of like precious faith and I hope that I will continue to be allowed to do so.

[Praxeas]

I don't believe men and women who have some attractions to the same sex, but don't act on them, are lost

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't believe men and women who have some attractions to the same sex, but don't act on them, are lost

I think we can agree here, as long as that is not a springboard for someone saying God is accepting or created the attraction.