noun1.a human being, whether man, woman, or child: The table seats four persons.
2.a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.
3.Sociology. an individual human being, esp. with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture. 4.Philosophy. a self-conscious or rational being. 5.the actual self or individual personality of a human being: You ought not to generalize, but to consider the person you are dealing with.
6.the body of a living human being, sometimes including the clothes being worn: He had no money on his person.
7.the body in its external aspect: an attractive person to look at.
8.a character, part, or role, as in a play or story.
9.an individual of distinction or importance.
10.a person not entitled to social recognition or respect.
11.Law. a human being (natural person) or a group of human beings, a corporation, a partnership, an estate, or other legal entity (artificial person or juristic person) recognized by law as having rights and duties.
12.Grammar. a category found in many languages that is used to distinguish between the speaker of an utterance and those to or about whom he or she is speaking. In English there are three persons in the pronouns, the first represented by I and we, the second by you, and the third by he, she, it, and they. Most verbs have distinct third person singular forms in the present tense, as writes; the verb be has, in addition, a first person singular form am. 13.Theology. any of the three hypostases or modes of being in the Trinity, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
A Person as it is used theologically, refers to an actual identified individual that is self aware or rational. See #5 as well and apply that to God. Does God have a personality? Is God self aware? Is God rational? The word Hyostasis was used to identify these three individuals they believe in. Probably because the word represents the foundation, that which lies beneath, the substantive part of a being to which are attributed a set of certain attributes that identify what KIND of being one is.
Humans are persons who share a Human nature
God is a person with a Divine nature.
Trinity teaches God is 3 Persons who have the same , not the same kind, Divine nature.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
just trying to understand your point of view in saying that God is a person. Most people are saying that He is not and saying, I think, that God is spirit and is manifested in the person of Christ. How is your view different from this?
Some people seem to think a Spirit cannot be a person since they think a person is human alone. But that is not the case. I already quoted Hebrews 1 that refers to God as a person. The Son was the express image of God's person. God is a Spirit, yes. But He is a person as well. Spirit and person are not contradictory. They are simply different from one another altogether. His single person has eternally been Spirit, but that same person took upon Himself humanity and manifested as Son of God as well. The same person is both eternal God and Son of God.
The best way I can describe it is like saying if I was God, I can turn myself into a chair and a table at the same time, and my single person belongs to both the table and chair, but the table is not the chair. They're both me, though.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
The KJV translators got it wrong on this one, though. Technically, the Greek word hypostasis, which person is translated from, originally meant "underlying substance". Only later in theology did hypostasis come to be understood as person.
That does not mean that God ISN'T a person. He's just not a human person. I think the term is valid beyond an anthropological context. We relate to God as we would relate to a person. He is a rational, moral being.
I agree. The PERSON Hebrews 1 uses is not the person people here consider when they say God is not a person. They are thinking of human beings alone being persons. That is just not the case.
I see no problem with the KJV. I see a problem with people not realizing they cannot use every word we use today in the same context they were used in the KJV days.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I think alot of people were reading person as "Human Person".
Bingo!
I like to think of God as a singular "person", yet when given the multitude of meanings "person" can have, and it's use historically, I can be OK with God being three "persona" known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
And that is incorrect. The poll did not ask if God is a human person or a human being, but a person.
The funny thing is if that is the case then they must believe Trinitarians argue "There are three humans that are one God"
Funny indeed!
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Jesus was not the veil. The veil hides. Jesus revealed
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
2 Cor. 5: 19,
19 To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
2 Cor. 5: 19,
19 To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation.
Falla39
This isn't saying His flesh is a veil. It's saying He went through the veil, how? through his flesh
Heb 10:20 by the fresh and living way that he inaugurated for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh,
When Christ's body was broken, the veil was torn open revealing the Holy place
sn Through his flesh. In a bold shift the writer changes from a spatial phrase (Christ opened the way through the curtain into the inner sanctuary) to an instrumental phrase (he did this through [by means of] his flesh in his sacrifice of himself), associating the two in an allusion to the splitting of the curtain in the temple from top to bottom (Mat_27:51; Mar_15:38; Luk_23:45). Just as the curtain was split, so Christ's body was broken for us, to give us access into God's presence.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
And it's tied up at 6 to 6! Too early to call, but it does appear that the Oneness camp is rallying.
Which one IS the Oneness camp?
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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