Global Warming is Happening!!!!

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Of course global warming is caused by you ugly americans! Remember when you had to get your ac freon changed from R12 to R22? It was all the freon escaping from your american cars that caused the hole in the ozone to get bigger thus releasing all the cool air.

Supposedly changing your AC freon was supposed to help. Did it? Are you feeling cooler now?

Did you see that article from that President of a former soviet state that called the environmental movement to commnunism. It is all about the control of people.

I will try to find the link but he was on a talk show last year.

gorby said green was the new red. and that freon stuff was bunk. the ozone hole has been static since it was found. freon didnt do anything to it.

however, the 2 companies that made freon, did make a huge killing by getting everybody to buy into the need to make a new kind of freon... they got to charge a lot more for it in the name of the environment....

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that climate change (if not the wrath of God) is primarily natural in origin. Climates do change naturally. However, I also believe that the earth has a delicate natural balance. I think climate change is happening more drastically than in past climate shifts. This is most evident in the polar regions and other regions where the balance in the local environment is more sensitive. While man's CO2 emissions aren't significant in comparison to natural phenomena, man's CO2 emissions may prove to be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

I remember hearing about a 400 year old Redwood that was very very tall. Apparently some rot had set in and it was dying. One day it fell. It didn't fall from strong winds, it wasn't hit by lightening. It would appear that perhaps it had become so weakened that under it's emense weight a point of critical balance was reached. All it may have taken was a tiny sparrow gentley landing on a Northern branch to bring the tree crashing down.

I think that the earth's environment may be like this to some degree. Man's impact may be miniscule when compared to nautral geological events such as volcanos etc... but it may be the tiny sparrow that sets the entire system off balance.

Exactly how do you know this about the polar regions?

were there any scientists around to see what happened the last time we had a serious warming?

in 1350 was there any stalites around to see if the Arctic sea ice was melting?


this is the point Aquila, there is no scientific data that suggests our climate is some delicate thing that can be tipped by minute action.

by the way, the annual input of CO2 by man is equal to .00001% of the atomosphere.

Seconndly on the subject, IPCC has rightly identified the amount of CO2 being produced anthropogenically. however, they have predicted the rise in Atmosphereic CO2 to be about 850 PPMby 2100, however, the observed record shows that the current trend will only be about 560 PPM by 2100.


That is because as more CO2 is produced, the earth seems to be able to absorbe more of it. This "curve bending" is proof that the Earth is self correcting.

it isnt easily tipped.

[Monterrey]

Remember when the Exxon Valdez spilled in Alaska? They said it would take decades for the ecosystem to come back to normal.

The only problem is, when they went back in just a few years it seems that the ocean had already taken care of the problem. Instead of decades it only took a few years for the ocean to cleanse itself of the petro problem.

Just this week we see where scientists have found, in the deepest part of the oceans, animal life that actually feeds on petroleum that oozes out of the ocean floor.

Seems like God has everything figured out to balance out the system.

[Aquila]

I don't know. From a practical stand point it would appear that the most acclaimed and credible research believes global warming to be a reality... and you have a minority who say that it isn't.

I'd like to ask this question...

What if you're wrong Ferd and global warming is a serious issue? What if we exacerbating the problem with various emissions?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't know. From a practical stand point it would appear that the most acclaimed and credible research believes global warming to be a reality and you have a minority who say that it isn't.

I'd like to ask this question... what if you're wrong Ferd and global warming is a serious issues that we are only exacerbating with various emissions?

Have you been following the news this week? the most acclaimed and credible researchers on the planet (the guys that run the IPCC) just got discredited... LAST FRIDAY.

but lets play your game.

What if I am wrong and CO2 is a real green house gas.

Then things arent that bad. The earth has seen CO2 levels around 7000 ppm (right now it is about 380ish PPM) with temperatures no more than 8 to 10 degrees cooler.

during those periods, the earth had its greatest diversity of flora and fauna.

If that happned and the polar regions warmed, and the ice caps melted signifantly (even worst case) then the vast areas of Siberia, Canada and Alaska would all the sudden be freed up for the production of food.

Warming of that nature would cause sea level rise that would flood out about 500 million people but would make 1/5 of the earths land mass more livable.


So even IF CO2 is a serious green house gas, there is nothing to worry about.

[Nitehawk013]

Yeah...but don't you understand that those people who live on coastlines would have to move? It's a tragedy I tell ya!

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Yeah...but don't you understand that those people who live on coastlines would have to move? It's a tragedy I tell ya!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Have you been following the news this week? the most acclaimed and credible researchers on the planet (the guys that run the IPCC) just got discredited... LAST FRIDAY.

but lets play your game.

What if I am wrong and CO2 is a real green house gas.

Then things arent that bad. The earth has seen CO2 levels around 7000 ppm (right now it is about 380ish PPM) with temperatures no more than 8 to 10 degrees cooler.

during those periods, the earth had its greatest diversity of flora and fauna.

If that happned and the polar regions warmed, and the ice caps melted signifantly (even worst case) then the vast areas of Siberia, Canada and Alaska would all the sudden be freed up for the production of food.

Warming of that nature would cause sea level rise that would flood out about 500 million people but would make 1/5 of the earths land mass more livable.


So even IF CO2 is a serious green house gas, there is nothing to worry about.

Yeah, that's nothin' compared to the Sun going supernova in a few billion years!

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Yeah, that's nothin' compared to the Sun going supernova in a few billion years!

Interesting Timmy,

How are we going to protect ourselves against THAT!

Is that caused by humanity also?

Maybe by then we can erect a large shield around the earth that will shield the heat coming from the sun. It will be made out of a new found substance that is mined off of a distant planet.

Hhmmmmmm.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Interesting Timmy,

How are we going to protect ourselves against THAT!

Is that caused by humanity also?

Maybe by then we can erect a large shield around the earth that will shield the heat coming from the sun. It will be made out of a new found substance that is mined off of a distant planet.

Hhmmmmmm.

SPF 10,000,000,000,000 sunscreen.