The Theology of Pain and Suffering?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

So God did not "create" pain ... but can use it?

Pain is the product of the curse.

True to the beautiful symmetry of redemption expressed by God's poetic nature, He uses a temporal by-product of the fall (pain) to help deliver us from the eternal consequences thereof.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Pain is the product of the curse.

True to the beautiful symmetry of redemption expressed by God's poetic nature, He uses a temporal by-product of the fall (pain) to help deliver us from the eternal consequences thereof.

Whhhhhhhhhew!!!!!! Isn't he awesome ... only He could do such a thing.

He used sin's and death's weapons .... to obliterate it's power

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Whhhhhhhhhew!!!!!! Isn't he awesome ... only He could do such a thing.

He used sin's and death's weapons .... to obliterate it's power

Precisely!

I preached from this verse last Sunday morning...



Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

This verse expresses the thought beautifully.

[Coonskinner]

By the way, Daniel, I want to say that it is nice to interact with a different side of you than the one I normally rub the wrong way.

I appreciate anybody who loves the Word.

[SDG]

1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.


3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.


4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.


5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

By the way, Daniel, I want to say that it is nice to interact with a different side of you than the one I normally rub the wrong way.

I appreciate anybody who loves the Word.

We're brothers CS ... even if you're misinformed on SOME TOPICS...

[Coonskinner]

Isa 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.


Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

There is a cause and effect relationship between suffering in the will of God, and the fruit of that suffering.

When I read where it "pleased the Lord to bruise him...", knowing that God is not sadistic, it is something to ponder indeed.

He was pleased because of the end result that was coming, even as Jesus "endured the cross, despising the shame," because of the joy that was set before Him.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Isa 53:10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.


Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

There is a cause and effect relationship between suffering in the will of God, and the fruit of that suffering.

When I read where it "pleased the Lord to bruise him...", knowing that God is not sadistic, it is something to ponder indeed.

He was pleased because of the end result that was coming, even as Jesus "endured the cross, despising the shame," because of the joy that was set before Him.

He could see the beauty from pain .... after all of it was passed.

New life ......Hope ....!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

He could see the beauty from pain .... after all of it was passed.

New life ......Hope ....!!!!!!!!!!!!

Job 14:7 For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.


Job 14:8 Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;


Job 14:9 [Yet] through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Job 14:7 For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.


Job 14:8 Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;


Job 14:9 [Yet] through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.

God showed me this passage while I was initially grieving my Dad's death ... it ministered to me ... as it is today.