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Old 01-21-2009, 11:10 PM
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"We need to admit to each other that the holiness movement is dead. We have never had a funeral. And we still have the body upstairs in bed. In fact, we still keep it dressed up and still even talk about the movement as if it were alive. But the holiness movement—as a movement—is dead. Yes, I recognize that there are many wonderful holiness people around. And people are still getting entirely sanctified here and there. But as a movement, I think we need to admit we are dead. The sooner we admit it, the better off we’ll be.

We have a holiness heritage. We have holiness denominations. We have holiness organizations. We have holiness doctrines. We even have holiness colleges, but we no longer have a holiness movement. I, for one, lament the death of the holiness movement. But pretending we are alive as a movement will not make it so. In fact, it may be the greatest barrier to the emergence of a new holiness movement."
No true Holiness is is alive. Christ in us our Hope of Glory.

The "Standards" movement is dead.

Why is it dead?

It brought about guilt as no one could abide by all the "rules".

For some reason we were taught if you take the conviction thing one step further than the person sitting the pew in front of you.

That meant you were getting closer to God.

When all the time organizations were being spilt.

Churches were being split.

Familys were being spilt.

What it did was give an entire group of people a false sense of relationship with Christ and other saints.

Simply the concpet of teaching the why, the application and then the legislation was never lined up with the love of God.

Regardless of all the kind hearted pastors and their wives.

They had to get folks back in line.

Because the other churches and pastors in the area would keep score.

I remember when some pastors required a lady to be in the church for a couple of years before they did anything.

God forbid you have someone visit and see shorter hair on a lady.

That church is allowing ladies to cut their hair sing in the choir.

Once your hair was then long enough to take away any attention.

Then you could sing in the choir.

The 6 months some of the young ladies had to sit was not a punishmet.

It was to give their hair time to grow back.

To take attention away from the appearace of lowered standards.

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Old 01-21-2009, 11:16 PM
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The "Standards" movement is dead.
You wish.
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Yes the Weslyan style Holiness Movement is dead. But the scriptural command to be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is alive and well. Its a challenge to every would be disciple.

We are at the point where most Christians dont believe you can consistently overcome Sin by the Holy Spirit power in them.
I dunno, Mike. I think that problem has been with us for centuries - almost 20 of them.
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:25 PM
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You wish.
have you taken your Christmas tree down yet?
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have you taken your Christmas tree down yet?
You know better than that.

Hey how is your Mustang handling the snow?
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You wish.
Where it is not dead.

The churches are dead.

I would love to see the standards church growth attendance over the past 20years.
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You know better than that.

Hey how is your Mustang handling the snow?
Not taken it out in any bad weather...

Taking it easy....
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Where it is not dead.

The churches are dead.

I would love to see the standards church growth attendance over the past 20years.
North Little Rock Arkansas, Elder Joel Holmes.

They are one really LIVE church.
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I have never walked into a holiness Apostolic church and it was dead.
When they get that Hammod bumping, those saints take off running and shouting.
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:31 PM
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I have never walked into a holiness Apostolic church and it was dead.
When they get that Hammod bumping, those saints take off running and shouting.
They are shaking the guilt for having watched TV off them....
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