17 Kids and Counting

[Sept5SavedTeen]

I mentioned this on another thread (and you all get a peek into the type of television I watch, because I live with my parents...)- I LOVE THE DUGGARS!

I can't say enough about how I love the trust they place in GOD, the high standards they uphold and how many young apostolics would do well to follow their example in lifestyle (not necessarily in doctrine). They have a book coming out this month called 20 And Counting, and I am going to get it from CBD's website or Walmart if they have it.

Although I am still young I have thought a bit about GOD's will concerning HIS people, and them having children, and from my 4 years at Catholic school, and a semester or two were contraception and chastity was the main theme for the religion class I had to go to daily, I got an oppurtunity to appreciate the Catholic view on those things. People that look down on the Duggar's or other families for having many children sort of bother me, especially when we consider what we as westerners are up against with Muslims and the rate at which their reproducing. France will be a Muslim country within 50-100 years and Italy isn't far behind. When we had an exchange student from Spain she told me and my sister how she knew of NO families that she had friends in that had more than 3 children. Businesses in my assembly's town are shutting down, and I firmly believe its due to a lack of workers and consumers. I've got to wait 10 minutes in line at Walmart- WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE JUST HAVE BABIES , no, I'm just kidding, , lines at Walmart aren't enough cause to have tons of kids, and I was being a bit facetious, but the other examples I gave are valid, and perhaps Walmart is understaffed by few people being available to work there. It just seems like there's a lack of people- even in Boston and MA. MA has lost Congressmen due to people in MA (MA has a large Catholic population) not having enough kids, birth control and abortion being rampant, and most Catholic families here aren't having kids like they used to and are going back on their Church's teachings. It is disturbing to see people value things over children, and for people to even despise others who are having many children. It is too bad that more apostolics don't search this issue out and come out with a definitive word on this, but then again, apostolics can rarely get together for anything. What is a young couple supposed to do? What does the Bible suggest/command? What does the church teach? Eh, if I go on with this rant of the church not having a definitive statement, I'll start capitalizing the c in church and I'll start looking towards the Big Papa in Rome... ok that's enough of the ranting... I believe in One-God, no Catholic Church, but in having TONS of kids (for the married), ok, I'm good...

-Bro. Alex

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I mentioned this on another thread (and you all get a peek into the type of television I watch, because I live with my parents...)- I LOVE THE DUGGARS!

I can't say enough about how I love the trust they place in GOD, the high standards they uphold and how many young apostolics would do well to follow their example in lifestyle (not necessarily in doctrine). They have a book coming out this month called 20 And Counting, and I am going to get it from CBD's website or Walmart if they have it.

Although I am still young I have thought a bit about GOD's will concerning HIS people, and them having children, and from my 4 years at Catholic school, and a semester or two were contraception and chastity was the main theme for the religion class I had to go to daily, I got an oppurtunity to appreciate the Catholic view on those things. People that look down on the Duggar's or other families for having many children sort of bother me, especially when we consider what we as westerners are up against with Muslims and the rate at which their reproducing. France will be a Muslim country within 50-100 years and Italy isn't far behind. When we had an exchange student from Spain she told me and my sister how she knew of NO families that she had friends in that had more than 3 children. Businesses in my assembly's town are shutting down, and I firmly believe its due to a lack of workers and consumers. I've got to wait 10 minutes in line at Walmart- WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE JUST HAVE BABIES , no, I'm just kidding, , lines at Walmart aren't enough cause to have tons of kids, and I was being a bit facetious, but the other examples I gave are valid, and perhaps Walmart is understaffed by few people being available to work there. It just seems like there's a lack of people- even in Boston and MA. MA has lost Congressmen due to people in MA (MA has a large Catholic population) not having enough kids, birth control and abortion being rampant, and most Catholic families here aren't having kids like they used to and are going back on their Church's teachings. It is disturbing to see people value things over children, and for people to even despise others who are having many children. It is too bad that more apostolics don't search this issue out and come out with a definitive word on this, but then again, apostolics can rarely get together for anything. What is a young couple supposed to do? What does the Bible suggest/command? What does the church teach? Eh, if I go on with this rant of the church not having a definitive statement, I'll start capitalizing the c in church and I'll start looking towards the Big Papa in Rome... ok that's enough of the ranting... I believe in One-God, no Catholic Church, but in having TONS of kids (for the married), ok, I'm good...

-Bro. Alex

Went into the big city today, it just reinforced what I already believe, there way to many people!

JUST SAY NO...Or do as Randy did, snip, snip....

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

Went into the big city today, it just reinforced what I already believe, there way to many people!

JUST SAY NO...Or do as Randy did, snip, snip....

It wasn't that bad.... and only cost a couple of hundred bucks.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I mentioned this on another thread (and you all get a peek into the type of television I watch, because I live with my parents...)- I LOVE THE DUGGARS!

I can't say enough about how I love the trust they place in GOD, the high standards they uphold and how many young apostolics would do well to follow their example in lifestyle (not necessarily in doctrine). They have a book coming out this month called 20 And Counting, and I am going to get it from CBD's website or Walmart if they have it.

Although I am still young I have thought a bit about GOD's will concerning HIS people, and them having children, and from my 4 years at Catholic school, and a semester or two were contraception and chastity was the main theme for the religion class I had to go to daily, I got an oppurtunity to appreciate the Catholic view on those things. People that look down on the Duggar's or other families for having many children sort of bother me, especially when we consider what we as westerners are up against with Muslims and the rate at which their reproducing. France will be a Muslim country within 50-100 years and Italy isn't far behind. When we had an exchange student from Spain she told me and my sister how she knew of NO families that she had friends in that had more than 3 children. Businesses in my assembly's town are shutting down, and I firmly believe its due to a lack of workers and consumers. I've got to wait 10 minutes in line at Walmart- WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE JUST HAVE BABIES , no, I'm just kidding, , lines at Walmart aren't enough cause to have tons of kids, and I was being a bit facetious, but the other examples I gave are valid, and perhaps Walmart is understaffed by few people being available to work there. It just seems like there's a lack of people- even in Boston and MA. MA has lost Congressmen due to people in MA (MA has a large Catholic population) not having enough kids, birth control and abortion being rampant, and most Catholic families here aren't having kids like they used to and are going back on their Church's teachings. It is disturbing to see people value things over children, and for people to even despise others who are having many children. It is too bad that more apostolics don't search this issue out and come out with a definitive word on this, but then again, apostolics can rarely get together for anything. What is a young couple supposed to do? What does the Bible suggest/command? What does the church teach? Eh, if I go on with this rant of the church not having a definitive statement, I'll start capitalizing the c in church and I'll start looking towards the Big Papa in Rome... ok that's enough of the ranting... I believe in One-God, no Catholic Church, but in having TONS of kids (for the married), ok, I'm good...

-Bro. Alex

So much to say here...... <sigh>

It IS pure selfishness for someone WITH kids to ignore or give them less than 100% but it is also pure wisdom to NOT have kids if you know you can't give them 100%..............

Oh yes, if you have "tons of kids" will you still claim every one as a tax deduction? Our old neighbors have 5. They didn't have a single cent withheld from their paychecks in federal or state income taxes and STILL GOT BACK OVER SIX GRAND! They "think" they aren't on welfare......

And on another note, why are we allowed to pick and choose from Catholicism when it comes to how we should live? We should follow them in their push for large families yet shun them because of Christmas?

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

It wasn't that bad.... and only cost a couple of hundred bucks.

Vet even cheaper dude...

[Kae]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

Went into the big city today, it just reinforced what I already believe, there way to many people!

JUST SAY NO...Or do as Randy did, snip, snip....

US Birth rates are down and have been declining. When we lived in Germany they paid the women to have children, due to the birth rate being lower than the death rate.

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

So much to say here...... <sigh>

It IS pure selfishness for someone WITH kids to ignore or give them less than 100% but it is also pure wisdom to NOT have kids if you know you can't give them 100%..............

Oh yes, if you have "tons of kids" will you still claim every one as a tax deduction? Our old neighbors have 5. They didn't have a single cent withheld from their paychecks in federal or state income taxes and STILL GOT BACK OVER SIX GRAND! They "think" they aren't on welfare......

And on another note, why are we allowed to pick and choose from Catholicism when it comes to how we should live? We should follow them in their push for large families yet shun them because of Christmas?

Randy when we lived in UT most our neighbors had eight kids or more, yes most the moms were on Prozac. I can't tell you how many times their kids were playing in the road almost hit by cars, while mommy just sat there in a half baked daze!

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Kae

US Birth rates are down and have been declining. When we lived in Germany they paid the women to have children, due to the birth rate being lower than the death rate.

I know a few places, people, and families that need this problem.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I know a few places, people, and families that need this problem.

So do I.

And in my own family. <sigh>

[Sept5SavedTeen]

AHHH! This anti-children agenda is terrible- people are wishing their relatives would die off to save us from overcrowding! I once heard that Texas could fit every human on earth within its borders and the population density would be that of New York City, now obviously no one is going to live in Antartica, but there's still PLENTY of room...

Also, I didn't know about the tax right off being that good, that's exciting news- all the more reason to expand the Kingdom! My thought is this, concerning the men, where has the desire gone to get a wife, have a dozen kids and see a lineage follow you to Glory?! There is nothing more that I want than to have 100 decendants all on a campground as I wheel myself up on a wheel chair (when I'm in my late 90s or so), take the mike and bless the food that my half dozen sons barbequed! If the people of GOD would have, say 7-12 kids each, and each of those kids got married and had 7-12, just in children, their spouses and kids within 2 generations there'd be over a hundred people, and if you raise them right... and they win souls.... and those souls have big families... WE COULD TAKE OVER THE WORLD! (Now I'm sounding like a post millenialist, )

But come on, sure it's a lot of work, but the people of GOD can do it. Westerners are going to be outnumbered by the Muslims soon if we don't!

Also, talking about vasectomies is GROSS, and getting one has GOT TO BE WRONG! I know it's not in the Book per say, but if they wrote about such a thing, the people of that day probably wouldn't have believed it (same as if they wrote something like, "Don't go to movie theaters" or something like that). Actually the Law is fairly clear in not messing with our reproductive systems that GOD gave us. Along with being fruitful, there are commands AGAINST allowing certain kinds of men to hold priesthood if they had gotten injured in some way.

I just don't get it. I'm 19, looking to get married one day, should the LORD provide an apostolic girl who wants to have a dozen children, and to think that there are brothers with wives that are preventing themselves from having children, and looking at children as a burden and messing with the plan of GOD... I feel bad for you, I don't know how the spirit of the world got to you in this deceptive way

-Bro. Alex