Bob Larson, "The Real Exorcist"

[Ev. Duane Williams]

BTW, I think the reason why exorcism is much harder for us than it was for Jesus is the same reason the disciples couldn't cast the devil out of the man's son. Unbelief. There is a little yod of doubt in some(probably all) in the congregation which prolongs the process. Jesus had none of that. Big difference.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

I prefer to do it the way Jesus and the Apostles did. The Bible says they cried with a loud voice when they came out. Too bad you weren't there, Bro. Blume to show Jesus and the Apostles the right way.

...As if what I said contradicts the Lord and apostles.

I've seen them cry and be gone, without a fight.

What is this? An argument of who knows how to cast out devils more? lol You were not there when I did it. And if you do not think you have authority to calm a man down when devils are reacting violently, then believe what you want.

Jesus and the apostles saw the devils come out right away, bro., except in cases with the apostles before they were Spirit filled.

The only case where a demon possessed man fought against several grown men was when the exorcists who did not know what they were doing tried casting devils out in Acts 19. The seven sons of Sceva were not known by the devils. But the devils sure knew Jesus and Paul.


I already said Jesus even spoke to the man called Legion. Jesus dealt with Legion and the devils could not hold the man back from Jesus, if you want to talk about Jesus.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

BTW, I think the reason why exorcism is much harder for us than it was for Jesus is the same reason the disciples couldn't cast the devil out of the man's son. Unbelief. There is a little yod of doubt in some(probably all) in the congregation which prolongs the process. Jesus had none of that. Big difference.

That was before the disciples had the Holy Ghost. You see no battles in the book of Acts except with the seven sons of Sceva who were not saved.

I agree doubt from God's people does limit it, as well as their own sins. But I have proved it true that you can calm a person down by shutting down the devil, and you can talk to the person about repentance. Ask all the folks we've seen set free.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

But they didn't come out silently, did they? The Bible says they cried with a loud voice, they foamed even before Jesus. One even "tore" its host before coming out, right in front of Jesus. Why didn't the Lord ask him to calm down and play nice?

Not all who claim possession are truly possessed. There are a lot of fakers out there. If they all played nice when you asked them to, I suspect you've been had. When devils come out, they scream and act violently. That's Bible.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

But they didn't come out silently, did they? The Bible says they cried with a loud voice, they foamed even before Jesus. One even "tore" its host before coming out, right in front of Jesus. Why didn't the Lord ask him to calm down and play nice?

I agree. I am talking about your words concerning over a dozen men fighting to hold a man back. Not a scream coming out.

Not all who claim possession are truly possessed. There are a lot of fakers out there. If they all played nice when you asked them to, I suspect you've been had. When devils come out, they scream and act violently. That's Bible.

I am not talking about a holler and scream when they leave. I had MOST do that. I am talking about an ongoing fight. Constant screaming that goes on and on. Jesus did not have twenty of His disciples fight with a man and hold him down, though. None of them did, except the seven sons of Sceva. That's bible.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Jesus had the Holy Ghost, yet they exhibited violent behaviour in front of Him. They even thought the one boy was dead after the violent episode.

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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Jesus had the Holy Ghost, yet they exhibited violent behaviour in front of Him. They even thought the one boy was dead after the violent episode.

Like I said, I am not talking about a holler and scream when they leave. I've seen them tear up people's throats and leave people gasping. But I am saying the long fighting and the twenty men deal is what is not necessary.

[mfblume]

Apostles: Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


Unbeleivers: Acts 19:14-16 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. (15) And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? (16) And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.


Who had the fight?

[Ev. Duane Williams]

No one was harmed, Bro Blume. We were initially laying hands on him for chronic migraine headaches, when the devils manifested themselves and he stood up and took the altar workers with him. No harm, no foul. He got delivered. The end.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Apostles: Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


Unbeleivers: Acts 19:14-16 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. (15) And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? (16) And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.


Who had the fight?

You mean you didn't have to slap em with a bible like Larson?