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Old 10-15-2008, 10:51 AM
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Khalidi opposed America stopping Saddam Hussain from invadint Kuwait.
calling Arab support an "Idiots consensus"

He was the director of the PLO press agency WAFA during the late 70's and early 80's when the PLO was at its most violent.

Here is a nice Khalidi quote

When Palestinian violence garners unfavorable publicity, Khalidi’s response it to blame the messenger, not the murderers. Thus, in response to Palestinians lynched two off-duty Israeli officers on October 12, 2000, Khalidi did not critique the perpetrators of this crime, but railed against the “prostitute” and “cynical” media that dared to show Palestinians triumphantly displaying bloodied hands after the killings. In like spirit, he faults not those Palestinians who erupted in joyous street celebrations at the murders of 3,000 Americans on 9/11, but the media for having the temerity to report these occurrences

This is a man that Barak Obama thinks VERY hightly of.
Thanks. Interesting. I'm glad you spelled it out.
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Maybe the people,but not the policy....or their religion.
I think you don't know what you're talking about. First, "Palestinians" don't have a "policy". They just want their land back and to raise their children in peace. If you're talking policy the issue is with the Palestinian Authority, and the Palestinians are very suspect of them anyway.

Something else you don't know. The average Palestinian is Christian not Muslim. However, since the conflict with Israel more Palestinians have become Muslim seeing that Islam appears to be the only religious body in the region that is willing to hear their voices. The Palestinian friend I have is Baptist and from a deeply religious Catholic family.
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Stew, I would say we should ignor Jesse on this if it werent for some very interesting things that parallel.

Frist, Obama made comments about Jerusalem being the capital of Israel to a Jewish group then shortly afterwards when talking to a muslim delegation bascially told them not to worry about that.

Obama has a very long and close relationship with Rasheed Khalidi an American who is ethinically palistinian and is a professor at Columbia University.

He has written a number of books on Palistine and among his comments are things like calling Palisinitan suicide bombers patriots.

Obama has publically thanked him for helping him understand the palistininan issue.

Third, the American Social Justice movement which Barak Obama has long been a part, has taken up the Palistinian cause against Israel.


given those facts (and those are actual real facts) It seems to me that Jesse Jackson is speaking with some authority here.
I'm just saying that I would be more interested in other sources. Tomorrow we will be right back to lambasting Jackson and calling him nuts for his very next article...regardless of what it is. A source or a person is either credible and should be taken seriously or they're not.
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Point taken , and I sort of agree, Prophecy will come true no matter how we personally believe,and it may come to pass in a way other than we believe.None the less it will come to pass.....
Indeed...

Prophecy is fulfilled per its intended interpretation.

No number of people is high enough that it will cause scripture to fulfill itself in any other way than the intended interpretation.
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I think you don't know what you're talking about. First, "Palestinians" don't have a "policy". They just want their land back and to raise their children in peace. If you're talking policy the issue is with the Palestinian Authority, and the Palestinians are very suspect of them anyway.

Something else you don't know. The average Palestinian is Christian not Muslim. However, since the conflict with Israel more Palestinians have become Muslim seeing that Islam appears to be the only religious body in the region that is willing to hear their voices. The Palestinian friend I have is Baptist and from a deeply religious Catholic family.
WELL I STAND CORRECTED.........maybe, No still not convinced.
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I think it's hard to know what is really going on unless you are in the thick of it. That's what we pay these people to do. So, do I want a man who wants botched abortion babies left to die? No. That tells me a story and settles it.
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The struggle goes back as far as Isaac and Ishmael.
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I'm just saying that I would be more interested in other sources. Tomorrow we will be right back to lambasting Jackson and calling him nuts for his very next article...regardless of what it is. A source or a person is either credible and should be taken seriously or they're not.
right. Ive provided some other ones.. and the key name for your own research.

Jackson by himself would not be someone I would want to use a a source even if I can use him to score political points against his allies and my opponents.

In this case Jackson seems to be verifying what has already been said in vastly different quarters.
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Antipas, the Palestinians are in the condition they are in by their own choosing!

The UN partitioned Palestine. The Jews were happy to coexist with the Arabs. They had for generations anyway. But the Arabs refused to accept the nation of Israel, went to war against the Jews and the Jews had to defend themselves. In 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973, Israel had to fight against unbelievable odds to survive.
Think about it Einstein... the UN partitioned Palestine. The Palestinians didn't choose to have their land partitioned. Also the Jews had long been at odds with the Palestinians and had made exclusive claim to the land of Palestine long before the 1948 partition. In a 15 July 1937 editorial, David Ben Gurion implied that partition could never be an acceptable long-term solution: 'The Jewish people have always regarded, and will continue to regard Palestine as a whole, as a single country which is theirs in a national sense and will become theirs once again. No Jew will accept partition as a just and rightful solution.' During the Zionist Congress, Ben Gurion supported the proposal to partition Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. At the same time, he delivered speeches which made it clear that he did not accept partition as a final solution: 'If I had been faced with the question: a Jewish state in the west of the land of Israel in return for giving up on our historical right to the entire land of Israel I would have postponed the establishment of the state. No Jew is entitled to give up the right of the Jewish nation to the land. It is not in the authority of any Jew or of any Jewish body; it is not even in the authority of the entire nation alive today to give up any part of the land'... ...'this is a standing right under all conditions. Even if, at any point, the Jews choose to decline it, they have no right to deprive future generations of it. Our right to the entire land exists and stands for ever.'

Frankly, I think it's fair to question if the United Nations had the Zionists best interest at heart by partitioning the land and creating this mess. I'm sure it sounded like a good idea at the time, especially in the wake of the Holocaust....but taking land from people that they've had for generations, giving it to a Jewish state, and then mandating that everyone just play nice is a recipe for disaster.

Let's compare it to the following hypothetical....

Imagine with me that the UN decides to partition the United States. They draw a line across every state, dividing each state nearly in half. Then they declare that all land South of the dividing line in each state belongs to the the indigenous native American peoples. Suddenly Native Americans begin moving in and employ bull dozers to raze buildings so that they can build settlements. And let's imaging that you lived South of one of those lines and watched as your home, your family's business, and every memory of the life you know is completely destroyed and given to a Native American Indian. Now....you can't believe for one moment that if I told you to play nice and get a long that you would. Honey, it would be on and you know it. We'd be bombing them, calling on regional allies to assist us, etc. Just like the Palestinian people are doing.

The issue is that there is an acceptable hatred and racism against Palestinians in spite of the fact that the United Nations partitioned their land and handed land over to a people who were largely already settled in Europe for centuries.
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I think it's hard to know what is really going on unless you are in the thick of it. That's what we pay these people to do. So, do I want a man who wants botched abortion babies left to die? No. That tells me a story and settles it.
This is very true ,it is sad that people have to die and go through all sorts of oppression from both sides.
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