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[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think we are about to catch up with the communist countries.

Were already there honey! And it's going to get even worst!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

After this election leaving this place might be wise! The good ole USA, she is far from what it was intended to be. We are slave, yet to delusional and caught up in the lies to realize it!

You seem so dissatisfied with your life here in America - with all it's warts I'm still very proud to be an American.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

Were already there honey! And it's going to get even worst!

Ok, HT, try to focus here..............you've said that we've lost our freedom, we're slaves, and we live in a communist country.

Please explain EXACTLY what you mean? Can you do that?

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by tstew

Okay, MP...I'm already probably out there against the grain so I might as well go all the way out. It is amazing to me that you would tell HappyTown to "ease up" after her post (which I didn't think was particularly harsh to anyone), but not say anything about all of the blatant personal attacks that I have been reading here. (I think her being told to "shut up" is quite a bit harsher than what she said). I personally have been appalled at how someone would post something about a third party or an issue...then have the immediate response be a series of personal attacks, name calling, and childish insults about their intellect. Most of these from those who claim to be the moral and spiritual superior.
I think that it is should be easy to discuss their opinions without all of that...or at least attempt to.

Thanks!

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

What or who are we slaves to?

Simple logic: We are slaves of THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

Authority corrupts itself. Since the Constitution became the supreme Law of the Land in 1787, government officials and judges have warred against that instrument. In order to gain the enormous power the government wields against Americans today, its judges first had to become enemies and traitors to the Constitution and to the American people. Today, the federal government has thousands of laws in its Title 18 and Title 21, all created and passed without the knowledge or consent of the people, but that control all aspects of Americans’ lives. To prove this fact, compare the government’s laws in its Title 18 and Title 21, to Article I, Section 8, and to Article VI, Clauses 2 and 3 of our Constitution, and to Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137, 176-77, 180 (1803). You will find that none of the government’s laws can even remotely be connected to one of the 18 clauses of Article I, Section 8, which explicitly restricts the government’s limited powers. Therefore, today the federal government, its president, Congress, judges, prosecutors and its police are acting without authority from the Constitution. Thus, they are nothing more than criminals and tyrants and are traitors to the Constitution and to the American people.

Those who do not believe this fact, need only to get a copy of the Constitution of the United States and go to Article I, Section 8, which explicitly enumerates the government’s limited powers. Then proceed to the first 10 amendments to that instrument which further limits government’s powers. Continue on to Article VI, Clause 2 and 3, noting that it declares that the Constitution shall be the supreme Law of the Land and; that any law made by the government shall be made in harmony with the Constitution and; that Congress, all government officials, including judges, shall take an oath to support the Constitution as the Law of the Land and shall be bound thereby.

Now compare these controlling constitutional authorities to what ever act a government actor (FBI or ATF agent, judge or congressperson) has done, or is doing to you or someone you know and see if you can locate which clause of Article I, Section 8, authorizes that action by that actor. You will find that you cannot find such clause in Article 8.

Carry your copy of the Constitution with you at all times, and when you encounter one of these tyrants, present our supreme Law of the Land to them and demand that they show you what clause of that instrument explicitly authorizes their act against you. First, the tyrant cannot do that, because he or she is acting without authority from the Constitution and, thus, is a tyrant. Second, the tyrant is going to treat you like the government slave you have become, because the government has nullified all of your rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Therefore, you are treated as such; a slave of the government.

The majority of American "citizens" are too terrified of the government tyrants to demand of them, that they show just where the Constitution explicitly authorizes their actions.Therefore, through this terror, millions of Americans have stood by while these tyrants have unlawfully imprisoned their children, wives, husbands, fathers and mothers and grandparents. To prove to yourself that the government has unlawfully imprisoned your loved one, obtain a copy of the federal law (the indictment) that the government used to imprison your loved one and compare that law to the above mentioned Articles of the Constitution. You will find that that law (statute) is not authorized by that instrument. If you wish to really discover the complete government slave that you and your loved one has become, take your copy of the Constitution and go to the government’s courthouse (that took millions of your dollars to build) and go to the judge that unlawfully incarcerated your loved one and ask that judge to point to the specific Clause of Article I, Section 8, that explicitly authorized the government and that judge to imprison him.

You will find out four things. One, the Constitution does not even remotely authorize your loved one’s imprisonment; two, the judge CANNOT and WILL NOT point to one of the Clauses of Article I, Section 8, that explicitly authorized that imprisonment; three, that the judge and prosecutors are real and actual tyrants; and four, that the government considers that you are nothing more than a slave, with no rights.

Now, what are you going to do about that?

William J.R. Embrey,

Oxford, Wisconsin

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Which will be a wasted vote, but a vote nonetheless.

No vote, is not a wasted one, when evil involved!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

Simple logic: We are slaves of THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

Ah, so you don't really have an opinion, you just cut and pasted someone elses. I should have known.

Does your government tell you where and how you can worship?

Does your government restrict your travel?

Does your government tell you how many children you can have?

Does your government tell you where you can work and where you can't?

You don't even have a CLUE what communism is, HT, why don't you ask some foreign missionaries who are stationed in communist countries?

Think for yourself.

[rgcraig]

HT - you better watch out for those black helicopters too!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

No vote is a wasted one, when evil involved!

I asked, but you never answered - what evil are you accusing the candidates of?

[HappyTown]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You seem so dissatisfied with your life here in America - with all it's warts I'm still very proud to be an American.

If you believe the System can be reformed, go for it. I’m absolutely convinced it cannot be fixed, and should not be fixed because it is more then just rotten to the core, it is a pervasive evil. A world that demands of you, as a human being, what it has no right to demand your life, your liberty, your labor, your money, your support and even your death is not a system that I believe should be maintained, and therefore, I cannot support the idea that reforming this system is worth doing.