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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
We should look inside our ranks as well. There is a lot of bovine excrement being passed off as gospel truth but is so far removed from the gospel of Jesus Christ. We don't mind being influneced by the cultish practice of legalism, but we have a problem with how someone presents a doctrinal statement?
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No. But I want to know a little bit about their background, i.e. beliefs before I allow myself to be influenced by whatever it is they have to say.
satan is so deceptive. Sister/Brother, we have to be careful as to who we let speak into our lives. satan did not come to Eve with bold lies and he won't come to us with bold lies either.
Please, be careful. Not every "christian" is our brother or sister.
The Bible says there are those who will be deceived and will deceive others.
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08-24-2008, 09:47 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water because someone's doctrinal statement looks funny to me.
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Neither am I. I don't think the author of this thread would either.
I am a One-Stepper.
His Doctrinal Statement looks like one of a church that is not UPCI as there are very few "One-Stepper" churches in that organization.
I think that was the point of the thread-- not to discount him, his church, or anyone else. His website causes an informed OP to ask these type of questions.
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08-24-2008, 09:49 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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Neither am I. I don't think the author of this thread would either.
I am a One-Stepper.
His Doctrinal Statement looks like one of a church that is not UPCI as there are very few "One-Stepper" churches in that organization.
I think that was the point of the thread-- not to discount him, his church, or anyone else. His website causes an informed OP to ask these type of questions.
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Jonathan Suber is not UPCI, is he? I'm confused.
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08-24-2008, 09:49 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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Maybe I'm not making myself clear. No man cometh untio the Father, but by me is an universal truth. Acts 2:38 is an universal truth. No demoniation has a monopoly on truth. There is more to truth than acts 2:38. My KJV, NLT, NIV, The Message, BLT versions all have 66 books in them. I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water because someone's doctrinal statement looks funny to me. |
You know, I did get quite a bit out of the Mormon church I attended for awhile. Maybe you're onto something here. What about this church: http://goldenthreadgrove.pbwiki.com/
FWIW, I am sure those having an issue with the doctrinal statement posted would take issue with the statement of belief from the church I attend.
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08-24-2008, 09:49 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
I gues when given the opportunity, I hope my website will scare the religious people away. lol
If you are coming from another church, you may as well keep going. You are not going to like at our church. There's a upci church down the road who won't mind having them. Their church is stocked with our old disgruntled saints anyway. One more ain't gonna hurt 'em.
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Good post.
And when someone is relocating to a new city or state, they will often look at a church's website (and statement of faith) to see if that's a church they and/or their family might like to to attend.
Those people are not "church hoppers".
Not to mention that I've seen many Apostolics over the years who were away from home on business for a few days, or a weekend, and wanted to look up a church to go to that Sunday while they're in town. Most Apostolics I know wouldn't want to go to a church on Sunday morning and then realize the church is not Apostolic.
Again, these people are not church hoppers, and they generally appreciate it when a church has a clear statement of faith on their website.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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08-24-2008, 09:52 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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Jonathan Suber is not UPCI, is he? I'm confused.
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He was very much UPC until a couple of years ago. Left the UPC at the height of his popularity. Was a major Campmeeting speaker and evangelist.
Not the usual pastor of a church that leaves but an evangelist doing quite well.
As far as everybody knows his doctrine did not change though and that is why the SOF on the website of the church he took over the pastorate of is so interesting.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-24-2008, 09:52 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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Jonathan Suber is not UPCI, is he? I'm confused.
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Ask Rhoni, she knows the church/Pastor situation.
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08-24-2008, 09:53 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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He was very much UPC until a couple of years ago. Left the UPC at the height of his popularity. Was a major Campmeeting speaker and evangelist.
Not the usual pastor of a churc that leaves but an evangelist doing quite well.
As far as everybody knows his doctrine did not change though and that is why the SOF on the website of the church he took over the pastorate of is so interesting.
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It sounds a lot like our Statement of Faith, except ours does say that we baptize in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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08-24-2008, 09:54 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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Ask Rhoni, she knows the church/Pastor situation.
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And appears EXTREMELY defensive about it!!!!!
Rhoni appears to have adopted the Barak Obama position regarding any questions. They are just not allowed.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-24-2008, 09:57 PM
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Re: Has Jon Suber embraced the One Step Doctrine?
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Originally Posted by tv1a
We should look inside our ranks as well. There is a lot of bovine excrement being passed off as gospel truth but is so far removed from the gospel of Jesus Christ. We don't mind being influneced by the cultish practice of legalism, but we have a problem with how someone presents a doctrinal statement?
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Most folks I know mind being influenced by the cultish practice of legalism. Most folks I know don't think that they're beliefs are cultish or legalistic.
I have no problem with his doctrinal statement. I believe his doctrinal statement to be Biblical.
The thread is about whether this Pastor is a "One-Stepper" now-- insinuating that until very recently, he was not a "One-Stepper".
The reason for the question was based off of his church's website.
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