Are Todd Bentley & C Peter Wagner Apostolic?

[U376977]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I also know that Peter Wagner wrote the godhead part to be acceptable to oneness folks. He told me that himself personally when I took some classes at Wagner Leadership Institute and recieved my Masters there. (please note that this is an earned diploma not to be confused with a degree) He and the Tenneys including Tommy have been fairly tight in the past. Peter unashamedly states that he is a trinitarian but sees validity in the oneness doctrine.

Thus disqualifying him from being an Apostle.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I also know that Peter Wagner wrote the godhead part to be acceptable to oneness folks. He told me that himself personally when I took some classes at Wagner Leadership Institute and recieved my Masters there. (please note that this is an earned diploma not to be confused with a degree) He and the Tenneys including Tommy have been fairly tight in the past. Peter unashamedly states that he is a trinitarian but sees validity in the oneness doctrine.

So, can Wagner still be an "apostle"? Not just called the title, "apostle," but actually be an apostle.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by U376977

Thus disqualifying him from being an Apostle.

I agree.

So, should men who claim to believe in "One God" then call such men, "Apostle"?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I agree.

So, should men who claim to believe in "One God" then call such men, "Apostle"?

Of course not.
But I'm sure there are some here who would.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Of course not.
But I'm sure there are some here who would.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I agree.

So, should men who claim to believe in "One God" then call such men, "Apostle"?

I really don't like to use the title. I know a very few men that I believe are Apostles--but they do not use the title and I don't use it when speaking of them. Though I do not personally know him, TL Osborn is a good example. I firmly believe his ministry has qualified him to be an Apostle but he does not use the title. HE DOES NOT NEED TO.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I agree.

So, should men who claim to believe in "One God" then call such men, "Apostle"?

To be blunt---To call Wagner and such like "Apostle" would just display your ignorance of a true Apostle.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

The official word was that he was in an unhealthy emotional relationship, not sexual. So we should be careful about labeling the man an adulterer. I'm not a fan of the man, but I think we should try to be as accurate about the situation as possible.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/2208...y-relationship

Todd and Shonnah Bentley are presently experiencing significant friction in their relationship and are currently separated. We want to affirm that there has been no sexual immorality on the part of either Todd or Shonnah,

We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff...

I know that is what is on the site. BUT how gullible do they think we are? How can they "affirm" no sexual immorality--where they with TB every moment of every day?

Come on, you don't get divorced for just some sweet talk on the phone!

[ManOfWord]

Let's look at the term "apostle." It literally means "sent one." These guys use this term differently than "we" do.

Technically, I believe that I am an apostle to the city I pastor in. I do not believe that I am THE apostle to the city, but I do believe that I have been sent here. Therefore, being sent, technically, makes me a "sent one" or an apostle.

I can accept that these guys believe that they are "sent" but I don't regard them as apostles over me.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Let's look at the term "apostle." It literally means "sent one." These guys use this term differently than "we" do.

Technically, I believe that I am an apostle to the city I pastor in. I do not believe that I am THE apostle to the city, but I do believe that I have been sent here. Therefore, being sent, technically, makes me a "sent one" or an apostle.

I can accept that these guys believe that they are "sent" but I don't regard them as apostles over me.

I agree, If you dilute the word Apostle to mean something completly outside the the Word then Ok they are apsotles. If I hire a plumber to go to my Moms house and fix her toilet then he is an Apostle of the toliet. In that sense Wagner and anyone else can be an Apostle. But if you mean a man of God who has the authority to bring forth the revelation of Jesus Christ and establish a church on the right foundation then they are not even in the same class.

[TK Burk]

So what about "One God" preachers that address these men as "Apostle So-in so"? Are those OP men then outside of the apostolic faith by doing so?