JG, without AFF, would you even really know what was going in in the UPCI? seems like the most tenuous reason to offer for what you are doing....
which by the way, i support whole heartedly. I think it is just wonderful.
I just dont get the decision making process you have offered. Its kind of like a US. politician changing political parties because of what some protest in france. makes no sense to me.
oh well.
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JG, without AFF, would you even really know what was going in in the UPCI? seems like the most tenuous reason to offer for what you are doing....
which by the way, i support whole heartedly. I think it is just wonderful.
I just dont get the decision making process you have offered. Its kind of like a US. politician changing political parties because of what some protest in france. makes no sense to me.
oh well.
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I don't think you know the role Jim's family has in a prominent UPCI church in his home state for decades .... his roots in the org run very deep ... the AFF is not what has kept Jim "in the loop", Ferd
I'm sure many other factors have played in Jim's decision ... but rest assured one does not enter the teaching profession unless your motives for the most part are altruistic ... either that ... or you are a sucker for mental anguish.
Hey now, I'm considering highschool special ed. lol Or highschool math. I actually am not sure which of those holds the greater challenges.
I'd guess Special Ed.
I think thats the kind of thing you really have to have a heart for, because from what I've been made to understand, it can be very taxing dealing with special needs students.
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That is the truth!
Just curious, Rhoni.
Are you a preterist.
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I'd guess Special Ed.
I think thats the kind of thing you really have to have a heart for, because from what I've been made to understand, it can be very taking dealing with special needs students.
I have 4 special needs kids. There are no words to describe what it's like dealing with them and working with them and helping them and how absolutely exhausting it can be.
Gonna finish my thought here.
Because I have 4 special needs kids, I'm conflicted about pursuing special education as a career. I know I'd be good at it, I know I'd enjoy it, I know I'd benefit from the things I'd learn and be even more able to help my children.
But, I also know how demanding it is to parent, and while my children are so young I don't know if I could put myself into such a demanding career and still meet their needs.
As for math, it truly is just as much of a conflict for me. I know I'm good at it, I already tutor math. I know I absolutely love it. I feel quite capable of translating the tricks I use for tutoring into a classroom setting. What I don't know is if I could really handle watching kids give up. I know they do, math leaves a lot of people completely leveled. I know I become emotionally invested in my students now, I can't imagine that would change in a classroom setting. I do know that making a difference for a few students would be very rewarding. I didn't pursue a college education when I was younger because of math. It'd sure have been a lot easier w/o kids. Not to mention it would have completely changed the course of my life, for the better.
I'm also unsure if I'm really willing to deal with teaching in a public school system. I definitely respect those who can, I just don't know if I can. I know it's not the only place to teach, but it's a real possibility that I'd end up teaching there for at least some of my career.
Just some of the bits and pieces I'm weighing while I make this decision.
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JG, without AFF, would you even really know what was going in in the UPCI?
LOL
My family is 5th generation Oneness, Fourth generation UPCI.
My immediate family attended the church in Apopka Fl long before either CP Williams or Mike Williams, the current pastor for 30 odd years, (amazing how time flies). The rest of my family still attends this church. The fellowship hall there is named after my father.
I attended JCM, the first year it was JCM. I was licensed with the Louisiana district until age 25.
More recently I attended a UPCI church while I was a prosecutor in Victoria, when I moved back to Houston I attended Church of Champions whose pastor was UPCI until 2006.
The vast majority of my closest male friends are preachers which are pretty much split between current and ex-UPCI. The few others are very wonderful “laymen” who have UPCI background. (Sadly, I have obviously been guilty of the isolationist mentality which I now decry and abhor.)
The pastor of the church where I have been attending the past month or so was a UPCI evangelist until 10 years ago.
I’m in communication either directly or through close acquaintances with current and former District Superintendents, Evangelists and Pastors, and lay people across the country (admittedly mostly the south lol).
So I think it would be fair to say even though I have not been licensed with the organization for 25 years or so, it is still very much in my heart and part of my psyche.
The past couple years I have had the privilege of face to face meetings with Bishop Smith of the AWCF, the largest Oneness organization on earth, and men who lead much smaller ones. And as much as I respect and admire them and their work I would have to say the UPCI is still the grand dame of the Oneness movement as far as the US of A is concerned.
And as such what goes on there is often reflective of what is happening in the Apostolic movement as a whole.
All of which to say, (for the third time) the ATTITUDES made manifest by Res 4 were ONE catalyst which caused a personal re-examination of the concept of the Apostolic Movement’s interaction with the societal culture which surrounds it.
My family is 5th generation Oneness, Fourth generation UPCI.
My immediate family attended the church in Apopka Fl long before either CP Williams or Mike Williams, the current pastor for 30 odd years, (amazing how time flies). The rest of my family still attends this church. The fellowship hall there is named after my father.
I attended JCM, the first year it was JCM. I was licensed with the Louisiana district until age 25.
More recently I attended a UPCI church while I was a prosecutor in Victoria, when I moved back to Houston I attended Church of Champions whose pastor was UPCI until 2006.
The vast majority of my closest male friends are preachers which are pretty much split between current and ex-UPCI. The few others are very wonderful “laymen” who have UPCI background. (Sadly, I have obviously been guilty of the isolationist mentality which I now decry and abhor.)
The pastor of the church where I have been attending the past month or so was a UPCI evangelist until 10 years ago.
I’m in communication either directly or through close acquaintances with current and former District Superintendents, Evangelists and Pastors, and lay people across the country (admittedly mostly the south lol).
So I think it would be fair to say even though I have not been licensed with the organization for 25 years or so, it is still very much in my heart and part of my psyche.
The past couple years I have had the privilege of face to face meetings with Bishop Smith of the AWCF, the largest Oneness organization on earth, and men who lead much smaller ones. And as much as I respect and admire them and their work I would have to say the UPCI is still the grand dame of the Oneness movement as far as the US of A is concerned.
And as such what goes on there is often reflective of what is happening in the Apostolic movement as a whole.
All of which to say, (for the third time) the ATTITUDES made manifest by Res 4 were ONE catalyst which caused a personal re-examination of the concept of the Apostolic Movement’s interaction with the societal culture which surrounds it.
LOL! you sound like Paul reflecting on his pedigree... you are in good company.
i applaude your decision and what ever the motivation, it is the Lords work!
I still think it is a bit odd that Res 4 which draws the UPCI more into (as opposed to seperating from) connection with the world, is an odd motivation...
but none the less, bully for you and Gods speed!
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I'd guess Special Ed.
I think thats the kind of thing you really have to have a heart for, because from what I've been made to understand, it can be very taking dealing with special needs students.
I have 4 special needs kids. There are no words to describe what it's like dealing with them and working with them and helping them and how absolutely exhausting it can be.
Gonna finish my thought here.
Because I have 4 special needs kids, I'm conflicted about pursuing special education as a career. I know I'd be good at it, I know I'd enjoy it, I know I'd benefit from the things I'd learn and be even more able to help my children.
But, I also know how demanding it is to parent, and while my children are so young I don't know if I could put myself into such a demanding career and still meet their needs.
As for math, it truly is just as much of a conflict for me. I know I'm good at it, I already tutor math. I know I absolutely love it. I feel quite capable of translating the tricks I use for tutoring into a classroom setting. What I don't know is if I could really handle watching kids give up. I know they do, math leaves a lot of people completely leveled. I know I become emotionally invested in my students now, I can't imagine that would change in a classroom setting. I do know that making a difference for a few students would be very rewarding. I didn't pursue a college education when I was younger because of math. It'd sure have been a lot easier w/o kids. Not to mention it would have completely changed the course of my life, for the better.
I'm also unsure if I'm really willing to deal with teaching in a public school system. I definitely respect those who can, I just don't know if I can. I know it's not the only place to teach, but it's a real possibility that I'd end up teaching there for at least some of my career.
Just some of the bits and pieces I'm weighing while I make this decision.
My mother is a teacher and has been one in a very tough city, Gary, IN. I've asked her how she manages to handle the students and she says when they are young, no older than 8 or 9, they are much easier to control. The bad stuff hasn't gotten a grip on them yet.
As for whether or not to teach special ed., I would think it would put too much pressure on you, given your circumstances with special needs children at home. There are times my mother would come home completely exhausted from dealing with children all day. For you to have to deal with special needs children at work, and then at home as well, may be more than anyone could handle.
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