Did John the Baptist Speak in tongues?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Why do you think a person would be resistant to this? You think it's stubborn-ness, willful resistance and rebellion to the Word of God? Why would a person who loves God and the Word of God with all their heart and who has received the baptism of the Spirit and feels that it is a necessary enduement of power that every believer has access to and needs, in other words NOT an option .... be so resistant to the teaching that tongues are the test and the proof of salvation?

The Baptists and other non Pentecostal groups have various answers to that question which I'm sure you've heard: it's of the devil, tongues were for the apostles time, some speak in tongues while others display other gifts as evidence like prophecy when they are baptized in the Spirit...etc

If someone knowingly resisted the baptism of the Spirit then I would call that stubborness, willful resistance, and rebellion.

Why do some folks think the baptism of the Spirit is not for them? The saddest reason, in my mind, is that they are content that they are saved already and don't need to receive this gift even though it is commanded by Peter. Are they willfully disobeying the word of the Lord? Maybe.

Have you read the posts about the AOG and the percentage of those that go on to be baptized with the Holy Spirit? It's very disheartening.

Felicity, I know how you and TB teach on salvation and though I disagree, you stress the necessity of obeying Acts 2:38 and you expect believers will attend to these things but others don't teach it as you do.

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

1 Cor. Chapter 14:

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Tongues edifies only yourself...it's greater to edify the church body.

When in a church setting it's better to edify the church body. How about when you're alone with God-2Cor 14:2"For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God, for noone understands him, however in the spirit he speaks mysteries." 14:14"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays,but my understanding is unfruitful."14:15" What is the conclusion then, I will pray in the spirit(tongues),and I will also pray with the understanding(learned language)......14:18 I thank my God that I speak with tongues(while praying) more than you all" 14:19"yet IN THE CHURCH I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue."

When we recieve the Holy Ghost we A) recieve power, Acts 1:8 B) speak in tongues. I believe ther is a direct correlation of tongues and power, when we pray in tongues is when we get refreshing and renewal, which edifies us. I believe we become more sensitive to the leadings of H.G. the more we pray in the spirit,(like when Paul was forbidden to go to Asia by the Holy Spirit).
I believe that is why Paul was such an extrordinary man, i'm willing to say that he prayed in tongues for hours everyday. I don't think we can force ourselves to do this though, but that it will come as the Spirit gives the utterance.
I try to make myself clear, but I'm in a hurry and don't type well(2 finger method).I off to go to Wed nite svc. now.



ARPH

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Then like him you are incorrect.

Then that makes 3 of us

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

How does this verse fit in?

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

(This was spoken after John the Baptist's in-the-womb experience, obviously.)

First you have to address if you believe John was filled with the Holy Ghost. Also you can read about his dad and mom and if they were filled with the Holy Ghost.

Do you agree these three were filled with the Holy Ghost?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The Baptists and other non Pentecostal groups have various answers to that question which I'm sure you've heard: it's of the devil, tongues were for the apostles time, some speak in tongues while others display other gifts as evidence like prophecy when they are baptized in the Spirit...etc

If someone knowingly resisted the baptism of the Spirit then I would call that stubborness, willful resistance, and rebellion.

Why do some folks think the baptism of the Spirit is not for them? The saddest reason, in my mind, is that they are content that they are saved already and don't need to receive this gift even though it is commanded by Peter. Are they willfully disobeying the word of the Lord? Maybe.

Have you read the posts about the AOG and the percentage of those that go on to be baptized with the Holy Spirit? It's very disheartening.

Felicity, I know how you and TB teach on salvation and though I disagree, you stress the necessity of obeying Acts 2:38 and you expect believers will attend to these things but others don't teach it as you do.

Mizpeh........

I had a response all typed out last evening, but it vanished into a black hole. I'll start again.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The Baptists and other non Pentecostal groups have various answers to that question which I'm sure you've heard: it's of the devil, tongues were for the apostles time, some speak in tongues while others display other gifts as evidence like prophecy when they are baptized in the Spirit...etc

I wasn't referring though (re the question I asked you earlier) to people who don't believe the Holy Ghost baptism to be real or necessary. What they say is really inconsequential to the point I was making. I was referring to people like myself who have experienced the power of the Holy Ghost and who believe that every believer should have this gift of anointing and power.

Why would someone like myself be resistant to the PAJC view of salvation re the Holy Ghost and tongues if it was clearly taught in scripture? We wouldn't -- there would be no reason to -- and I can assure you that ever since I was a young teen I've searched the scripture and I've talked to many and listened to the best preachers and teachers and discussed this issue with those who are well able to explain their POV but have never been satisfied with their arguments or answers. I simply can't find this "tongues or hell" doctrine in scripture. And salvation doctrine, as it's defined by PAJCers, doesn't line up to what happens to the majority of believers when they by faith become believers and repent of their sin. They experience spiritual transformation that changes them inside and out and results in yielding themselves to the control of the Holy Spirit.

I know there are questions about my understanding of salvation doctrine but there are certainly questions regarding the PAJC point of view too. In my opinion, practical experience and Scripture provides a stronger validation of what I believe in regard to the need of the baptism of the Spirit than it does the *3 step* view.

Gotta run for now. More comments later.