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Old 11-19-2007, 11:24 PM
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What has made this organization great is the diversity of brethren and Apostolic based viewpoints. To say either extreme is insignificant is absolute ignorance. All are needed in the Kingdom... some just feel that perhaps their viewpoint is not as well accepted by the UPC at large.
What made this org great is just as you said, but the intolerance for diversity began long before Res 4. That is the sad part. Some people left because they wanted the freedom. Others are leaving now because they can't tolerate the freedom.

It seems to me that some are leaving because they can't tolerate a different viewpoint on the use of TV to reach the lost.

It's not Res 4 that is the problem. It's people who are unable or unwilling to accept diversity
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:25 PM
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Brother Albert Gore !!! I knew it !!! lol

hey i voted for you does that count for anything ???
I just wouldn't tell all that.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:32 PM
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Let me get this straight... you're saying that the conservative brethren have been the source of much division?

Amazing.

Putting the TV resolution on the ballot three times in a row wasn't 'a source' of division at all huh?

Absolutely amazing.

Your post speaks volumes... and not necessarily good ones.
....the problem is some can't have unity with diversity....they must have division with diversity. What should have been done a long time ago is make this org a NON VOTING organization and put all power into the hands of one Ultra Conservative...seriously...what else is a vote for then if not to vote in or out certain things? If bringing something to a ballot that many times is division, then stop voting. There are/were a LOT of people that wanted it.

No dictator forced Res into passing...it won by vote...diversity.

I could just as easily then say voting NO the first 2 times was division....a source of division...an attempt to stifle diversity
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:34 PM
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This gets old...the process of bringing the resolution to the floor MANY times broke the theme of individual causes bringing disunity to the organization. This has been said many times before. It's like the kid wearing down the adult by continually asking, "May I?? Can I??? Pleeeeeeeeasse???" The adult finally lets the kid learn the lesson that he was trying to protect the kid from learning.
It was within the rules and it was not an individual cause....in case we need a reminder, but it passed....It had a LOT of votes
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:42 PM
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Dizzy, there's a pastor in your city that told his congregants that he is the only one preaching "TRUTH" within a 50 mile radius.

That means that your church and at least 50 other churches are not preaching "TRUTH". only HE is preaching " TRUTH"
There is a man in a state that begins with the letter "O" that said if you within 100 miles of his church and don't attend his church you are lost.

One of his friends that pastors near the Dayton area saw me with my wedding ring on and informed me I didn't believe in holiness because of my ring. I wonder where these guys get some the junk they believe. It ain't in the Bible that's for sure.
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:13 AM
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Did Yall hear the song at the end the Message???


Go to Booker's message and fast forward to the end. Listen to the song they sing at altar time. ".......I won't water down my faith, I won't compromise, ....."
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:14 AM
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Did Yall hear the song at the end the Message???


Go to Booker's message and fast forward to the end. Listen to the song they sing at altar time. ".......I won't water down my faith, I won't compromise, ....."

I caught that too.
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There is a man in a state that begins with the letter "O" that said if you within 100 miles of his church and don't attend his church you are lost.

One of his friends that pastors near the Dayton area saw me with my wedding ring on and informed me I didn't believe in holiness because of my ring. I wonder where these guys get some the junk they believe. It ain't in the Bible that's for sure.

100 miles? O my! the geography is widening!
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i can hear his conviction and sincerity come through on what he believes and I can respect him for what he believes......hopefully he does the same for people like me that disagree with him.
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:17 AM
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100 miles? O my! the geography is widening!


You weren't talking about a pastor in Ohio at first were ya?
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