Do you think Two Church services a month is enough?

[originalsecretplace]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Awwww Mich. You know what I mean sis. I'm really not trying to be flippant or dismiss the fact that people aren't affected when others who they trust fail and disappoint them. I know that it can be hurtful.

You see if I was perfect then I might have more of an issue with others who aren't. But because I'm not perfect and because I've made mistakes and failed then it's easier to understand how someone else might too. But that doesn't mean that their lives haven't been a blessing and help to many and that they can't be again either.

You have to keep the main thing the main thing. I think that when you trust God with all your heart it's easier to trust others and to understand that God trusts people enough to CALL THEM into ministry knowing full well that they will make mistakes along the way. This is important and perhaps if you look at it this way it might be helpful.

I hope so.

I agree that ministers are human and can and do make mistakes.

I think the problem may be that the saints and ministers are taught such things as "touch not mine anointed" and "obey them that rule over you" in such a way that it leads to the set up of a god-like mentality in those people. Ministers are set up to be viewed as demigogues who are better than human.

Look at the traditions that have been put in place where ministers have no accountability at all to those they minister to and no one will bring them to accountability as in scripture where if there is sin that it is to be dealt with in a certain manner and if you have ought against your brother it is to be dealt with in a certain manner. The ministry seems to be above "the law" so to speak in that they will not submit themselves to be treated like everyone else in these matters. or saints are afraid to follow scripture and approach a minister.

Originally Posted by Rico

No, I am not joking. At this point I have no confidence whatsoever in ministers. As far as I am concerned, they are all nothing but a bunch of lying hirelings.

Then, unfortunately for you, you cannot be saved until you have a change of heart (for God has chosen by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.) I seriously pray that God grants you that change of heart (repentance), because I would truly like to meet you in heaven someday.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by originalsecretplace

I agree that ministers are human and can and do make mistakes.

I think the problem may be that the saints and ministers are taught such things as "touch not mine anointed" and "obey them that rule over you" in such a way that it leads to the set up of a god-like mentality in those people. Ministers are set up to be viewed as demigogues who are better than human.

Look at the traditions that have been put in place where ministers have no accountability at all to those they minister to and no one will bring them to accountability as in scripture where if there is sin that it is to be dealt with in a certain manner and if you have ought against your brother it is to be dealt with in a certain manner. The ministry seems to be above "the law" so to speak in that they will not submit themselves to be treated like everyone else in these matters. or saints are afraid to follow scripture and approach a minister.

This is an excellent post!

Originally Posted by Rico

There's plenty in the Bible about crooked, supposed men of God too.

And nowhere in the Bible that says to discount, disbelieve, and distrust the ministry because of it; it DOES, however, say that God will give those who are truly mistreated (not necessarily the ones who probably got their little feelers hurt or their toes stepped on, but those truly harmed) that He would give them pastors after His heart, who would feed them with wisdom and knowledge.

Originally Posted by Michlow

Sometimes its a numbers game. When you experience more that are deceitful than honest, you tend to believe that the majority of them are deceitful. This may not be true in reality per se, but is true according to your experience.

The only way to correct this perception is to come in contact with those that are opposite of your perception. This process often takes time, but so many want to beat you with a stick and say "get over it right this very second" or as Bro. Epley just so kindly told me on a different thread "you will just have to go to hell"

I disagree. The only way to correct this misperception is to know and believe the Word of God.

Originally Posted by Rico

Unhuh. And if you, God, or anyone else thinks I am going let another preacher gain my trust, just to lie to me, you can forget it.

So, you really believe that God would keep His Word (because it is impossible for Him to lie) and give you a pastor after His heart, just to 'lie to you'? Bro, where are you?

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't understand why people have this huge trust issue with pastors.

Preachers and pastors fail. They can't help but because they are men.

The fact that people fall has never ever affected my trust in them overall or in God either. You just have to learn and accept that men - all men - fail.

The Old Testament patriarchs and prophets and kings certainly did. So did NT disciples, leaders and saints.

Hello! It's a fact of life. Get a grip.

No, that makes too much sense and gets rid of the self-justification and lame excuse to be a rebel.

[nathan_slatter]

You didn't have an option for "Too Much"....

[Old Paths]

PREACHER-HATER

PREACHER (prē'chər)

Preacher (One who preaches, especially one who publicly proclaims the gospel for an occupation.)



HATE (hāt)

v., hat·ed, hat·ing, hates.

A person that hates (1. feels hostility or animosity toward 2. To feel dislike or distaste for)

Preacher-Hater One who feels hostility, animosity, feels dislike or distastes toward one who preaches, especially one who publicly proclaims the gospel for an occupation.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Sometimes its a numbers game. When you experience more that are deceitful than honest, you tend to believe that the majority of them are deceitful. This may not be true in reality per se, but is true according to your experience.

The only way to correct this perception is to come in contact with those that are opposite of your perception. This process often takes time, but so many want to beat you with a stick and say "get over it right this very second" or as Bro. Epley just so kindly told me on a different thread "you will just have to go to hell"

This is a very sad thing, Mich! I promise you there are ministers out there who are the "real deal". If I didn't believe that about my husband, I would be out of here. I sure wouldn't sit here and play the game, pretending to be something we're not. I've seen too much of that through the years.

I think too many pastors/preachers have an anointing and somehow that makes them think they don't need integrity or character. I think God is much more interested in building the man than the ministry.