A Relevant Holiness Message

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

True. That means you have to love DA.

True. I'm showing that I care by trying to correct him. If I didn't love him I would simply write him off.

He can be very sweet and lovable when he wants to be.

[peyt07]

Originally Posted by notofworks

"Idle", or, "Useless." This isn't useless. It was cast into the public eye, loud condemnation of others took place, even causing some of us to wonder if it was us and by not revealing who he condemned, he cast many, including me, in a bad light forcing us to wonder if we were recipients of his wrath.

"Rumor". Well, no need to explain that one. This CLEARLY isn't rumor. That would be, "Hey, I heard that Rob McKee took a shot at a pastor that uses secular music in his church."


Strike one. Try again.

I think pressing-on hit the point pretty perfectly.

"His personal church website and preaching videos are not the same as posting in a more "random" public place like YouTube. You have to decide that you want to attend his church or decide if you want to listen to his preaching on the Web. That is all that is about.

YouTube is a totally different arena and story, Daniel. And you know it. I can't, well I probably can, believe you would be so callous.

And your cropping the two messages and dragging it over to YouTube is just way over the top. So don't tell me that you love Rob, because you don't. Friends talk about things - face to face - man to man or woman to woman, if that be the case. They don't drag their carcass out in the road for everyone to run over.

I'm just disappointed in how this is being handled, that's all. I couldn't imagine doing that to someone I said I "loved". I would probably go by and visit or give them a call. I sure in the world wouldn't call them out like a gunfighter in a western town. You are acting like you slammed the saloon doors back and wanted to commence shooting. I just do not like it at all.

Very disappointing. If I don't like how a preacher preaches, I don't go to his revivals. And I sure wouldn't sit around cropping his messages and discussing him on-line. Good grief! Insanity!"

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Agreed, and RM posted on this thread.......and DA did try to engage him in conversation......

I have tried to engage him too since DA brought this up. I even asked very clear questions directed straight to him not to attack but simply to dicuss the contradiction.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Sounds a little gossipy to me.

In the context of the chapter, it sounds less gossipy.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

In the context of the chapter, it sounds less gossipy.

No, it doesn't. Paul was telling the Galatians about a conflict he had with a fellow minister of the Gospel. After the fact. After it had been [presumably] resolved. And he told the Galatians that Peter "was to be blamed."

Can you imagine the reaction if Bro. Mangun stood up at BOTT and relayed a similar experience with, say, Rob McKee? LOL!!! The silence would be stony and awkward.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by peyt07

I think pressing-on hit the point pretty perfectly.

"His personal church website and preaching videos are not the same as posting in a more "random" public place like YouTube. You have to decide that you want to attend his church or decide if you want to listen to his preaching on the Web. That is all that is about.

YouTube is a totally different arena and story, Daniel. And you know it. I can't, well I probably can, believe you would be so callous.

And your cropping the two messages and dragging it over to YouTube is just way over the top. So don't tell me that you love Rob, because you don't. Friends talk about things - face to face - man to man or woman to woman, if that be the case. They don't drag their carcass out in the road for everyone to run over.

I'm just disappointed in how this is being handled, that's all. I couldn't imagine doing that to someone I said I "loved". I would probably go by and visit or give them a call. I sure in the world wouldn't call them out like a gunfighter in a western town. You are acting like you slammed the saloon doors back and wanted to commence shooting. I just do not like it at all.

Very disappointing. If I don't like how a preacher preaches, I don't go to his revivals. And I sure wouldn't sit around cropping his messages and discussing him on-line. Good grief! Insanity!"

You guys are missing the tree because of the forest.

I don't see that DA was going after RM's sermons at random. The clips simply show that RM condemned a preacher for doing something that was in turn done at his church the next week.

Those defending RM seem to miss the point that RM condemed a preacher while being broadcast live and also archived on his website for doing something that was done a week later in his church with seemingly full acceptance.

Should RM have torn the internet preacher down?

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Let's discuss.

In the heat of the moment, Paul called him out for showing respect of persons. This is not the same thing.

The same thing would have been someone in the congregation immediately calling RM out for letting GP insist on a rock song being played in church.

This thread is more like displaying someones sins for all to see after the fact and not in the very act.

Good point, Miz.......but, Paul thought enough of the incident to pen the words that would be forever canonized in scripture, and even preached from pulpits for millenia to come.......we're discussing Paul and Peter, and we weren't there!

To carry it out a bit further, if Paul would have really been concerned about keeping it "out of the press" so to speak, he would have just spoken to Peter privately, not in front of others, and certainly wouldn't have recorded the incident.

Your thoughts?

[Charnock]

You know what I find ironic?

Lee Stoneking's sermons have been dissected beyond recognition on this forum, and very few of you had any problem with it. How is this any different?

The video was posted online. It's in the public domain. Get over it.

This is why forums are so maddening. No one can discuss real issues without injecting personalities and character assassinations.

As a result, these guys get by with blatant hypocrisy and all sort of fruity stuff.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Good point, Miz.......but, Paul thought enough of the incident to pen the words that would be forever canonized in scripture, and even preached from pulpits for millenia to come.......we're discussing Paul and Peter, and we weren't there!

To carry it out a bit further, if Paul would have really been concerned about keeping it "out of the press" so to speak, he would have just spoken to Peter privately, not in front of others, and certainly wouldn't have recorded the incident.

Your thoughts?

My 13 year old just looked at my screen and said, "Michael Phelps the swimmer?" (In sort of a hopeful tone.)

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

True. I'm showing that I care by trying to correct him. If I didn't love him I would simply write him off.

He can be very sweet and lovable when he wants to be.

LOL - - maybe that's all he's doing with RM.