The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Part of the reason for the sudden drop is because we have realized how much we appreciate each other, even in our disagreement. Some folks just didn't want to win an argument and lose a friend in the process.

This is what made FCF so different than NFCF

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Even Jeff Arnold says some are stuck ... on just knowing THE MESSAGE .... see his 2007 Because of the Times message ...

Daniel, do you think a Trinitarian is saved or lost?

Straight up yes or no will suffice.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by rrford

The message is that "God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son...."

His death, burial and resurrection was the personification of that message.

Our repentance, baptism and reception of the Holy Ghost is our response to the message.

Our living a holy and godly life is the continuation of the relationship that was began at opur identification with the message.

You can't put it much more succinctly or accurately than that.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It is comprehensive in its scholarship and even Norris said it's a valuable historical source .... let's not attack the messenger .... because we don't like the message RR

Originally Posted by rrford

Norris saying it is a valid historical source does not give total credibility. Historical reference? Sure. True scholarship? Not really. Too many mischaracterizations of the UPCI to accept much beyond the historical value.

We had these discussions ad infinitum on FCF and NFCF. I really don't care to jump into it again.

Daniel, your logic is flawed here. You ask him to not attack the messenger- he merely points out that the use of CWTC is flawed. It is a biased book, and surely we have discussed this at length, albeit the archives are now not available. Some one wake up Timlan and tell him to come on back.

[Nahum]

You know, I really have a problem with the idea that Jeff Arnold is saying that people are too stuck on the message. He was not saying that the message was invalid, or held lesser priority than in times past. He was simply stating that it is a foundational issue. At some point Christians need to move on, and yet continually add maturity to their walk with God.

To imply that he meant otherwise is quite a stretch.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Thumper

How about :" Repent of your sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Ghost "

That would be a pretty good start. Then maybe you could follow it up with explaining what those things are

That was how Peter explained it to sinners; pretty simple, I would say.

That is how we explained it to the teenagers that visited our youth service last night.

That is how I will explain it Sunday morning.

And any other time the question is asked, "What shall we do?"

Jesus has already done what he came to do--He died, was buried, and rose again according to the Scriptures.

Now the question is what must we do.

I'm going to obey the Scriptures.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

addendum ....

man's distractions can send folks to hell and never get know God's ways.

I do agree with this statement. The way to God should not be littered with extra-biblical traditions of man. The path should be clearly defined, and well lit.

John 3:5, John 3:16, and Acts 2:38 are enough.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

is loving your neighbor necessary for salvation ... c'mon RR ... you knowest.

Today I speak of how the movement has taught and presented this necessity ...

Quit trying to be some modern day Confuscious and answer questions, please.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

salvation is through faith ...from faith to faith ... yet some will tell you that it wont kick in until you go through the car wash ... then perhaps you've made it ...

When the high Priest began at the brazen altar, would sin have been atoned for had he stopped there or at the laver?

Atonement was not complete until the blood made it all the way into the Holy of Holies.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Cheap shot artist..... ..........


Is there anyone in this thread that believes this? Come on Dan, you can do better.

Another red herring.

Bankrupt arguments cause people to resort to such.