Trying to Rescue Another from HMH Doctrine

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

So, he'll say anything else he knows, except that? Sounds like he tucks his tail and runs at that point...

Final Judgment is in the hands of God I am only commissioned to preach the gospel final judgment is up to Him. That is a fact. However I do not believe folks who do not obey the gospel will be saved.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Final Judgment is in the hands of God I am only commissioned to preach the gospel final judgment is up to Him. That is a fact. However I do not believe folks who do not obey the gospel will be saved.

If folks only preached the gospel, that would be great. Problem is, so many hav tagged on so many additional non-gospel requirements, the gospel is almost completely hidden.

[Dagwood]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dagwood I had more meals in their home when I was growing up than I can count. The church they pastored in Madisonville my Dad turned over to them when he left Kentucky. They were friends of my family as long as I can remember. They were wonderful people I loved them very much. At one time Vestal did want to get baptized in Jesus Name but Howard would not let her. That is a fact not a rumor. Just clearing the air.

Okay, fine. I won't dispute the direct connection you and your family had. However, it still leaves me to wonder if you really think she never obeyed the gospel, even until her last breath. If you know what happened from the time (if) your family lost touch with them over the years and can honestly say she never obeyed the gospel, even when she passed, I'll leave the subject alone.

However, if you cannot say she never obeyed 'til her last breath, then the way you stated your post earlier makes it sounds as if you do know.

Sorry, folks, this is off-topic. But, some responses are sure in need of being clarified...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Thanks. I'm serious, btw. He stated that she never obeyed the gospel, but he will not tell you "she is in hell". Not sure why, but it has something to do with my grandma. Again, I'm serious!

You wanted me to put your grandmother in Hell. God will be her final judge as well as yours and mine.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Falla39

I read, I believe it was in the book by VG, that she never wore her hair uncut, That she wore a wig styled to look that way.
God knows all there is to know. HE knows the motive in our thinking and in our actions. Not only our actions, but what comes out our mouth pretty well tells what is in our heart! For from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Falla39

That is not correct she did not could her hair nor would she wear a wedding ring for years. Their church though Trinity weas against women cutting their hair years ago. they changed.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

Okay, fine. I won't dispute the direct connection you and your family had. However, it still leaves me to wonder if you really think she never obeyed the gospel, even until her last breath. If you know what happened from the time (if) your family lost touch with them over the years and can honestly say she never obeyed the gospel, even when she passed, I'll leave the subject alone.

However, if you cannot say she never obeyed 'til her last breath, then the way you stated your post earlier makes it sounds as if you do know.

Sorry, folks, this is off-topic. But, some responses are sure in need of being clarified...

Never lost touch with them. They remained freinds of the family til their death. To my knowledge she was never baptized in Jesus Name.

[Dagwood]

Whether it's HMH doctrine or any other human-crafted doctrine outside of the Bible, God will have the final say and sway.

One can be "commissioned" to preach "the gospel," but one better make sure they're equally quoting scripture that God Himself is the all-final authority in ANY matter, any subject, period. Not after their opinions have been stated. Last but certainly not least, one better be careful when making statements that so-and-so didn't obey the gospel.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

Okay, fine. I won't dispute the direct connection you and your family had. However, it still leaves me to wonder if you really think she never obeyed the gospel, even until her last breath. If you know what happened from the time (if) your family lost touch with them over the years and can honestly say she never obeyed the gospel, even when she passed, I'll leave the subject alone.

However, if you cannot say she never obeyed 'til her last breath, then the way you stated your post earlier makes it sounds as if you do know.

Sorry, folks, this is off-topic. But, some responses are sure in need of being clarified...

Dag, your mistake here is that you are considering the Biblical definition of "the gospel". Epley is referring to HIS definition of "the gospel" which includes "no bobbed hair women will make it to heaven".

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Dag, your mistake here is that you are considering the Biblical definition of "the gospel". Epley is referring to HIS definition of "the gospel" which includes "no bobbed hair women will make it to heaven".

I am NOT speaking of the hair issue on this statement. At one time Vestal would not cut her hair but she hadn't been baptized in Jesus Name.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am NOT speaking of the hair issue on this statement. At one time Vestal would not cut her hair but she hadn't been baptized in Jesus Name.

Ah, my mistake. However, that IS part of the gospel in your definition, isn't it?