No Limits Conference Speakers? - Page 46

A_PoMo · #**451** 03-08-2008, 12:30 AM

ok. peace out for reals this time.

Minister_WD · #**452** 03-08-2008, 12:56 AM

Good night to everyone as well....

Here is another upcoming conference that will be webcast: Eagle's Summit Apostolic Conference

CC1 · #**453** 03-08-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Minister_WD

Good night to everyone as well....

Here is another upcoming conference that will be webcast: Eagle's Summit Apostolic Conference

I see that this conference has as its speaker Gerald Jeffers. That name rings a bell but I can't quite remember who he is. Can somebody jog my memory?

A_PoMo · #**454** 03-08-2008, 09:06 AM

cc1: since you love unabated screaming into a mic you'll like arcovio. his is usually monotone too, for extra texture. he's a great guy and loved hanging out w/him but his preaching style gave me a headache back in the day.

A_PoMo · #**455** 03-08-2008, 09:26 AM

I apologize if I seem overly critical of NW's sermon last night. But this morning I was thinking about it a little and I just cannot escape the real disappointment I feel about his sermon. Having never heard him preach before and based on his reputation as a learned, intelligent man I was deeply disappointed in how shallow and parochial it was and essentially wrong his message was on the facts. I felt it was intellectually dishonest in that it misconstrued the truth of various matters and that essentially it was a message of elitism. Most evangelicals and even mainline denom people would agree with him about being led by the Spirit, hearing from God, and combining your cognitive understanding of doctrine with a spiritual experience and for him to say otherwise is unbelievably irresponsible. Dare I say untruthful as well? By his definition, even with the part about speaking in tongues being essential for salvation, all charasmatic believers are 'apostolic'. I happen to agree w/that view myself, but I'm sure he would be appalled to have someone characterize his position in that way. But that's how imprecise and wrong his message was and I expected more from him especially considering the gravity of the circumstances and knowing that many eyes are watching. I feel that his preparation was sloppy at best and just plain deceitful in aim at worst. I completely agree that Christians ought to be led by the spirit and that the Christian experience is primarily a spiritual one and I think most evangelicals would agree with that even if their way of doing that is different that NW's. I felt the sermon and his attitude in presenting it was arrogant and elitist. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but nonetheless for some reason I am a little disheartened by it and feel a little let down.

tv1a · #**456** 03-08-2008, 10:04 AM

It's been 15 years since I've seen him. He doesn't seem to be the type who would jump to wpf... Until I looked at his website... It doesn't seem so far fetched after all.

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I'm surprised that Tim Grayson went them he just preached for us not to long ago.

Minister_WD · #**457** 03-08-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I see that this conference has as its speaker Gerald Jeffers. That name rings a bell but I can't quite remember who he is. Can somebody jog my memory?

I believe Dr. Jeffers is PAW - although I have heard he is Independent - not sure. The message he preached at Because of the Times last year is considered a must hear of that conference.

He also drew some criticism at last year's Summons to Sacrifice Conference in St. Louis for his comments on how the UPC handled the Tekle/Divine Flesh matter.

tv1a · #**458** 03-08-2008, 11:15 AM

I don't feel so bad for not watching. I wanted to, but my computer would not support the software. Maybe it's God's way of keeping that ungodly trash out of my home. I've read over 20 pages on this thread. Can anyone tell me what makes this group different than the pharisees?

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I apologize if I seem overly critical of NW's sermon last night. But this morning I was thinking about it a little and I just cannot escape the real disappointment I feel about his sermon. Having never heard him preach before and based on his reputation as a learned, intelligent man I was deeply disappointed in how shallow and parochial it was and essentially wrong his message was on the facts. I felt it was intellectually dishonest in that it misconstrued the truth of various matters and that essentially it was a message of elitism. Most evangelicals and even mainline denom people would agree with him about being led by the Spirit, hearing from God, and combining your cognitive understanding of doctrine with a spiritual experience and for him to say otherwise is unbelievably irresponsible. Dare I say untruthful as well? By his definition, even with the part about speaking in tongues being essential for salvation, all charasmatic believers are 'apostolic'. I happen to agree w/that view myself, but I'm sure he would be appalled to have someone characterize his position in that way. But that's how imprecise and wrong his message was and I expected more from him especially considering the gravity of the circumstances and knowing that many eyes are watching. I feel that his preparation was sloppy at best and just plain deceitful in aim at worst. I completely agree that Christians ought to be led by the spirit and that the Christian experience is primarily a spiritual one and I think most evangelicals would agree with that even if their way of doing that is different that NW's. I felt the sermon and his attitude in presenting it was arrogant and elitist. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but nonetheless for some reason I am a little disheartened by it and feel a little let down.

SOUNWORTHY · #**459** 03-08-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but nonetheless for some reason I am a little disheartened by it and feel a little let down.

I was also disappointed but not surprised . I have known NW for many years but as far as I can remember I had never heard him preach. I remarked to my wife that he looked and sounded angry. As red faced as he appeared it's surprising he doesn't have a heart attack. I felt no compassion or love in his expression or tone.

And what is this thing about cadets? I missed that post.

A_PoMo · #**460** 03-08-2008, 12:21 PM

The cadets are a handful of young men they have who are there at the beck and call of NW and Myles Young to basically be multi-purpose helpers. Kinda like that guy that used to follow TD Jakes around w/a towel so Jakes could wipe his sweaty face. They sit on the outer edges of the platform and wear name badges. After church when the preachers are all hanging out in the plush pastoral offices I've witnessed them hovering around the edges of the room attending to every need of the other people in the room. They're very polite and obsequious, kind of like Secret Service agents. I felt sorry for them personally refused to sit down out of respect for them. I felt really weird having people hover like that.

Regarding the sermon. I listened to NHaney's message this morning on "Faith in the Word of God" in their website. Now I'm no fan of NH but it was a good sermon even though I thought the pulpit was GINORMOUS (at least as big as Jakes) and was surprised to see only about 300 people attending the service. Must have been a Wed night.