Apostolic Feminists

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I saw my mother flirt - tremendously - with my father and him back. They were so cute!

You are right - our opinions are formed by our own realm of experience.

If you need any tips - PM me. J/K!!!!!

I saw my parents flirting, too...him patting her backside and cuddling in the kitchen, but I never ever connected it to manipulation of any kind.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Thinking about this a few minutes ago and I can't recall ever in 33 years of ministry and many more of being in church that I have never ever heard one woman address this "two powers" thing.

I have never heard any of the speakers I've listened to over the years and I've heard ....... goodness! How many?!! I have no idea! And I've heard women speak all around the world in womens conferences, womens retreats, church services, Mothers Day, Fathers Day, womens meetings, and I've heard the very best!! But I can't remember ever any one of them addressing this in the manner JS has.

So I don't think it's been all that huge an issue in church really. If it is it's been well hidden I guess.

Good grief!

You have never seen girls that you didn't think dressed appropriately? You never heard about fornication or adultery being committed in the church? You never saw a married woman who flirts and carries on with other men? What about on the internet? Never saw nothing? Unbelieveable.

I better get my boots on so I can get out of here...

[Felicity]

'Kay...... gonna say this.

1. If these teen girls are using their femininity, attractive looks, bodies etc. in a manipulative way to attract guys and get into relationships with them that is based solely on the physical then it needs to be addressed. So credit goes to JS for that if this is what she is doing.

2. If she is saying that when choosing a partner for life you need to be looking for more than mere physical attractiveness and charm, then good for her because it's true.

3. Again ... I say that what young women and men should be hearing is that they need to live consecrated sold out lives seeking the will of God in regard to their future and future spouse as well.

And they need to be taught as well that there are qualities to be looking for in a mate that go beyond looks and personality and a great body that will make for a solid quality marriage that will stand the test of time.

I guess I just kind of thought that this is kind of normal stuff that young people in apostolic churches would be hearing from youth leaders and pastors and parents at home too.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Felicity

'Kay...... gonna say this.

1. If these teen girls are using their femininity, attractive looks, bodies etc. in a manipulative way to attract guys and get into relationships with them that is based solely on the physical then it needs to be addressed. So credit goes to JS for that if this is what she is doing.

2. If she is saying that when choosing a partner for life you need to be looking for more than mere physical attractiveness and charm, then good for her because it's true.

3. Again ... I say that what young women and men should be hearing is that they need to live consecrated sold out lives seeking the will of God in regard to their future and future spouse as well.

And they need to be taught as well that there are qualities to be looking for in a mate that go beyond looks and personality and a great body that will make for a solid quality marriage that will stand the test of time.

I guess I just kind of thought that this is kind of normal stuff that young people in apostolic churches would be hearing from youth leaders and pastors and parents at home too.

And how do we know they aren't hearing that? We heard 5 minutes of a message out of how many other messages these girls have heard? Thank goodness for variety and many perspectives!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I guess I'm a little less sophisticated than some of you ladies here and don't have the cosmopolitan experience you all have had. I've led a fairly sheltered life. None of the women I've known have acted like this i.e. using their femininity to manipulate men (in a negative sense) into getting what they want.

I never saw this kind of behavior modeled by my mother or my sisters or my grandmother.

Never saw it modeled by my close friends -- either before marriage or after it. Neither I nor my close friends acted this way (intentional manipulation to draw some guy into relationship with us).

Haven't seen it modeled by most of the women I know in any kind of personal way. Like I said the women in my social circle which was the church circle didn't act that way. It was never even thought of by myself --- my mind certainly doesn't work that way. My husband would agree.

Our opinions are formed by our own realm of experience. Guess your realms of experience are outside of mine. All I knew was church, loving God and living for Him. And the friends I've hung with over the years were the same.

Well, there ya go...we can't take what Felicity says seriously because she's never been exposed to the 'real world'.

The girl was raised in the wilderness of Canada...primitive lifestyle. Why...the only men she ever saw, aside from her daddy, was when the Canadian Wells Fargo drove up to her neck of the woods with supplies!!

And now that she's way out West...mercy, they are so far out in the wilderness now, I'm surprised she hasn't run across Moses and the children!!

Y'all need to be sensitive to the fact that she's a product of her invironment...poor girl can't help it...!!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Newman

And how do we know they aren't hearing that? We heard 5 minutes of a message out of how many other messages these girls have heard? Thank goodness for variety and many perspectives!

Like I say, hopefully they're hearing this kind of good teaching (that I mentioned), but listening to some of you here and to JS's message .... (short clip - yes - I acknowledge that. We didn't hear the whole thing.) ..... I wonder.

It's a problem anyhow. You can teach these kids but they're not all gonna follow the advice that's for sure.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Barb

Well, there ya go...we can't take what Felicity says seriously because she's never been exposed to the 'real world'.

The girl was raised in the wilderness of Canada...primitive lifestyle. Why the only men she ever saw, aside from her daddy, was when the Canadian Wells Fargo drove up to her neck of the woods with supplies!!

And now that she's way out West...mercy, they are so far out in the wilderness now, I'm surprised she hasn't run across Moses and the children!!

Y'all need to be sensitive to the fact that she's a product of her invironment...poor girl can't help it...!!

LOL! Well, I'm so thankful for my wilderness experience.

Actually, marrying in the will of God has taken me around the world to places most of you might only dream of seeing. Of course I had no way of knowing that when I made my choice or maybe I should say when I chose God's choice for me.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Newman

Good grief!

You have never seen girls that you didn't think dressed appropriately? You never heard about fornication or adultery being committed in the church? You never saw a married woman who flirts and carries on with other men? What about on the internet? Never saw nothing? Unbelieveable.

I better get my boots on so I can get out of here...

Huh? I never said that. I don't know about getting your boots on and getting out. You don't probably need to do that. Maybe just need to read more carefully sis.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I asked my wife the same question and she said "Sex?" !

LOL! You asked your wife if you ever used sex as a means to manipulate and control? Maybe to get her to make that cake or pie you love so much?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I guess I'm a little less sophisticated than some of you ladies here and don't have the cosmopolitan experience you all have had. I've led a fairly sheltered life. None of the women I've known have acted like this i.e. using their femininity to manipulate men (in a negative sense) into getting what they want.

I never saw this kind of behavior modeled by my mother or my sisters or my grandmother.

Never saw it modeled by my close friends -- either before marriage or after it. Neither I nor my close friends acted this way (intentional manipulation to draw some guy into relationship with us).

Haven't seen it modeled by most of the women I know in any kind of personal way. Like I said the women in my social circle which was the church circle didn't act that way. It was never even thought of by myself --- my mind certainly doesn't work that way. My husband would agree.

Our opinions are formed by our own realm of experience. Guess your realms of experience are outside of mine. All I knew was church, loving God and living for Him. And the friends I've hung with over the years were the same.

Oh please Felicity...I think this is a bunch of denial, out of touch with reality on your part...are you sure that senility isn't setting in at such a young age?