Who was Harry Morse ?

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Harry Morse was a Sabbath keeper. I even have an article he penned on the subject. But until today, I could not find other Azusa Street vets who kept the Sabbath. .... Bernt Berntsen was a Norwegian who became a missionary to China around 1905. While in China, he read an issue of the Apostolic Faith, the newspaper issued by the Apostolic Faith Mission at Azusa Street. ... In 1916, he announced to his ministry friends and workers that they would now (he was in charge of several churches) keep the Sabbath. ... 1916 was the same year that Harry Morse wrote and published his article in support of the Sabbath.

Is the Harry Morse, or any other such early material, available? Does it look like they use the 7th-day Baptists and Adventists as a basic source?

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And I would also like to know the history of the unfolding name expositions. Perhaps an example from one article. Where you have discussion of these compound names, as in the list from Sean:

Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)

I remember this exposition, culminating in Jesus, (Jehoshua) was emphasized in some early apostolic literature. (I doubt if any of them used the mangling yahweh that had recently been pushed by liberal and unbelieving scholars. As they had respect for the Reformation Bibles in many languages and the Authorized Version.) Now, it would have a source in earlier writings, but it seemed to have greater import for the apostolic writers.

Here is a superb article from a Baptist in that era that was excellent on this topic by Henry Clay Mabie (1847-1918).

Providence Grounded in Redemption (1918)
Henry Clay Mabie
https://books.google.com/books?id=1eQSLiikSr8C&pg=PA617

If you want, I can place in some extracts. I found it to be accurate and powerful.

Years back, I remember seeing similar writing from apostolic pioneers. Where they emphasized the compound names, perhaps as unfolding revelations of God. Frank Ewart may have been one of the writers. Here is a discussion from that era:

In September 1915, Bro. Bell published a statement in the Weekly Evangel tellingly entitled: “Who is Jesus Christ? Being Exalted as the Jehovah of the Old Testament and the True God of the New. A New Realization of Christ as the Mighty God.”
https://oldlandmark.wordpress.com/ca...s/frank-ewart/

Garfield Thomas Haywood (1880-1931) wrote a book:

Divine Names and Titles of Jehovah

C. H. Yadon (1908-1007) later published Jehovah-Jesus.

Since I am studying the history of how the pagan yahweh came in as a substitute, even among the modern apostolic scholars, I am hoping to study these books, and others in the history. This AM I am simply doing a quick search.

In the 1930s the sacred name movement began trying to change this understanding to the "yah.." prefix names and thus fabricated the mangling counterfeit (not real Hebrew or Aramaic) "yahshua" to do the new match.

The unfolding name concept or revelation has some real pizazz. However, once you have the bogus yahweh, the whole thing is a house of cards, of no substance. Error begets error. A good example of the inherited error is the nonsense word yahshua.

And I hope to do more on this topic, any assistance is greatly appreciated. Especially from the writings of the oneness pioneers. From 1980-2000 one fellowship with a oneness heritage began to take these early teachings from the Pentecostal pioneers and morph them over to the sacred name movement blunders. I also hope to check The God of Two Testaments by Robert Brent Graves, since I know it had some influence on the fellowship, I believe the first edition was in the 1970s.

Steven

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Is the Harry Morse, or any other such early material, available? Does it look like they use the 7th-day Baptists and Adventists as a basic source?

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And I would also like to know the history of the unfolding name expositions. Perhaps an example from one article. Where you have discussion of these compound names, as in the list from Sean:

Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)

I remember this exposition, culminating in Jesus, (Jehoshua) was emphasized in some early apostolic literature. (I doubt if any of them used the mangling yahweh that had recently been pushed by liberal and unbelieving scholars. As they had respect for the Reformation Bibles in many languages and the Authorized Version.) Now, it would have a source in earlier writings, but it seemed to have greater import for the apostolic writers.

Here is a superb article from a Baptist in that era that was excellent on this topic by Henry Clay Mabie (1847-1918).

Providence Grounded in Redemption (1918)
Henry Clay Mabie
https://books.google.com/books?id=1eQSLiikSr8C&pg=PA617

If you want, I can place in some extracts. I found it to be accurate and powerful.

Years back, I remember seeing similar writing from apostolic pioneers. Where they emphasized the compound names, perhaps as unfolding revelations of God. Frank Ewart may have been one of the writers. Here is a discussion from that era:

Garfield Thomas Haywood (1880-1931) wrote a book:

Divine Names and Titles of Jehovah

C. H. Yadon (1908-1007) later published Jehovah-Jesus.

Since I am studying the history of how the pagan yahweh came in as a substitute, even among the modern apostolic scholars, I am hoping to study these books, and others in the history. This AM I am simply doing a quick search.

In the 1930s the sacred name movement began trying to change this understanding to the "yah.." prefix names and thus fabricated the mangling counterfeit (not real Hebrew or Aramaic) "yahshua" to do the new match.

The unfolding name concept or revelation has some real pizazz. However, once you have the bogus yahweh, the whole thing is a house of cards, of no substance. Error begets error. A good example of the inherited error is the nonsense word yahshua.

And I hope to do more on this topic, any assistance is greatly appreciated. Especially from the writings of the oneness pioneers. From 1980-2000 one fellowship with a oneness heritage began to take these early teachings from the Pentecostal pioneers and morph them over to the sacred name movement blunders. I also hope to check The God of Two Testaments by Robert Brent Graves, since I know it had some influence on the fellowship, I believe the first edition was in the 1970s.

Steven

The acceptance of the "Yahweh" was quite natural since it was pretty much universally accepted until the sacred name movement demanded a further study on the issue that proved it untrue. Actually the movement helped us to to clarify and correct the absurdity.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The acceptance of the "Yahweh" was quite natural since it was pretty much universally accepted until the sacred name movement demanded a further study on the issue that proved it untrue. Actually the movement helped us to to clarify and correct the absurdity.

Yes, the changeover of many Christians to "yahweh" was natural in a humanistic, liberal unbelieving sense. The forces of our modern times. And it was also natural that many Christians got duped into accepting the Alexandrian corruption versions built on the Westcott-Hort recension. As you are essentially pointing out, what is natural may be simply apostasy.

And I agree with you that the gibberish that came forth from the sacred namers (let 1,000 name flowers bloom) forced more careful evaluations.

Now we have a division. Large segments of Christiandom, including top oneness apostolic writers, are using and promoting the fossilized monstrosity of yahweh.

It is only the last 20 years that the whole situation really got shaken out. The key component is understanding that there is no harmony between the the major contenders. Jehovah and yahweh are irreconcilable. And, what has become abundantly clear, yahweh is even the pagan devil jove wearing a mask, come out of hiding.

However, many Christians have been pacified. They are not supposed to correct their scholars. So the beat goes on.

It is interesting to note that the "unfolding name" types of understanding work perfectly with Jehovah, and create frightening monstrosities like yahshua when a person starts with yahweh. Error begets error, to attack the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is time to drain the swamp of the scholastic debris of yahwehism.

Steven

[Scott Pitta]

I will review my class notes from 1929 and provide an update. I hope a second set of class notes materializes, but none have surfaced, yet.

Yadon republished Jehovah Jesus, but he did not write it. He may have edited it.

I will check Ewart's newspaper for other leads.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I will review my class notes from 1929 and provide an update. I hope a second set of class notes materializes, but none have surfaced, yet. Yadon republished Jehovah Jesus, but he did not write it. He may have edited it. I will check Ewart's newspaper for other leads.

Thanks, Scott. All help appreciated. The Jehovah unfolding name history is fascinating. (As is the sabbath history.)

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The first edition of The God of Two Testaments came out in 1977. It was updated, and the updates definitely use Yahweh as can be seen here.
https://pentecostalpublishing.com/at...eextension=pdf

And I think this book may have helped lead my fellowship astray on the issue of the yahweh error (only 15 or more years later did they add yahshua). It would be good to check the early editions, especially 1977. I remember that at the time I liked the book a lot,

Yours in Jesus,
Steven

[houston]

http://s14.invisionfree.com/apostoli...um/ar/t329.htm

[Scott Pitta]

Thanks !!

[Steven Avery]

For our brethren perusing the Pentecostal pioneers (and also later years to see how doctrines changed and what modernist influences came in) so far I have emphasized two requests, where I would like to see, or be pointed to, solid information.

1) Jehovah as the unfolding revelatory name ---> Jesus (Jehoshua)

2) Sabbath teachings, Henry Morse and any others.

Here are a couple of other thoughts.

3) The reaction to "Yahweh" whenever that "scholarship" was noted.

4) The Bible version positions. Did the Westcott-Hort recension, and the Revised Version of 1901 (USA) make inroads.

#3 is related to #1.

Steven

[Scott Pitta]

Morse used various translations at his school. I did not yet tabulate a list of them. The sabbath issue is very interesting, but I am not sure how he was influenced to obey it. There were other Pentecostals who also kept the sabbath.

Still working on it...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

I will review my class notes from 1929 and provide an update.

HOW OLD ARE YOU?????