Has evolutionism become a leading religion?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Then you are interpreting the text. So tell me on which day did God say "let there be an earth"? Because every creative act is proceeded by "And God said Let"...which verse is the globe, the planet created?

I see "the earth was without void"...I see "the Spirit moved on the waters"...then I see in verse 6 God forming dry land in waters that already existed.

16And God made two great lights

21And God created great whales

25And God made the beast of the earth

27So God created man in

Prax has reading accuracy issues.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Made. Im asking which Day specifically did God create the planet. On the 6th day God divides the waters and brings forth dry land. That means there was already a globe of water, a planet in existence. Show where that globe was created, which day. You can't

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13And the evening and the morning were the third day.


The word globe is not in the bible

You have day 3 and 6 mixed up.


11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Yes. However the dating methods are not always accurate, but certainly archeology goes a long way in vindicating the Bible against many skeptics claims.

Again, I'm not against, science, I'm not against archeology. What I am against are theories which are against the Word of God. Evolution isn't demonstratable science, its not science at all, it is simply a theory, which quite frankly will not be proved even in our lifetimes with all the technology we have, or forever, because it is not possible. It is a theory accepted by faith.

Not always accurate? How do you know? You previously suggested you didn't really know a lot about the topic.. Its amazing you can say that but be clueless on the topic...in fact you defer to videos and quotes from champion YEC that you don't really even understand.

I suggest the argument that you made earlier about dating and it only being so because the evolutionists assumed that the earth is billions of years old is just a desperate red herring.

It's good enough for biblical archeologists as long as they don't go past their preconceived "the earth is only 8000 years old or so" idea.

Don't you see? Forget evolution. Dating is science a science used in archeology, anthropology and forensic medicine, and even if it's not 100% accurate it's not so inaccurate that archeologists and forensics don't use it. So let's say they are off by 50 years...what does that do to the dig where dinosaur bone are found and dated to a couple hundred thousand or million years? Off by how much? Statistically you still have an earth that is scientifically much older than your 8-10 thousand year old earth

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13And the evening and the morning were the third day.


The word globe is not in the bible

You have day 3 and 6 mixed up.


11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Coco, you're obfuscating now, next you'll be telling me the word bible is not in the bible

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Let's shoot for 8000 then

So if archeologists found a bone that was buried years ago...before the flood, are you saying they can't possible date it to 7000 years no matter how advanced our science is? Mind you, dating isn't just used in archeology but is also used in forensics. You are discounting a science that is used in archeology by anthropologists including biblical anthropologists that dig up biblical sites and date them using chemical analysis

No I'm not saying that. I know that there are things dated older than 8,000 years. My point is that dating isn't completely accurate. It is based on assumption. It is especially prone to error when dating fossils. In archeology if a coin is found or a pot, through other features, possibly even inscirption we can make a more educated date. But when someone finds a snail shell and calls it 60,000 old thats bogus. (Just an example off the top of my head).

I would argue that we cannot even nail down hard dates for many contemporary things (such as NT manuscripts) yet we accept when someone says a spoon is 40,000 years old. Cavemen used it to eat fruity pebbles.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Made. Im asking which Day specifically did God create the planet. On the 6th day God divides the waters and brings forth dry land. That means there was already a globe of water, a planet in existence. Show where that globe was created, which day. You can't

create, made and formed all synonomous

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Not always accurate? How do you know? You previously suggested you didn't really know a lot about the topic.. Its amazing you can say that but be clueless on the topic...in fact you defer to videos and quotes from champion YEC that you don't really even understand.

I suggest the argument that you made earlier about dating and it only being so because the evolutionists assumed that the earth is billions of years old is just a desperate red herring.

It's good enough for biblical archeologists as long as they don't go past their preconceived "the earth is only 8000 years old or so" idea.

Don't you see? Forget evolution. Dating is science a science used in archeology, anthropology and forensic medicine, and even if it's not 100% accurate it's not so inaccurate that archeologists and forensics don't use it. So let's say they are off by 50 years...what does that do to the dig where dinosaur bone are found and dated to a couple hundred thousand or million years? Off by how much? Statistically you still have an earth that is scientifically much older than your 8-10 thousand year old earth

That is your opinion. You can't test your opinions.

But all this doesn't matter. 13 billion years are not enough time for evolution to take place. and create life as we see it.

130 billion years are not enough age of earth for ecvolution.

All the junk in all the pseudoscience is destroyed by the nathematical probalilities. The probablilites of amino acids self forming and cellular life to form on it;s own is impossible.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Already answered this, about 3 times now.


Heaven=atmosphere, sky if you will.

That is my very point, you must reject the order of creation (not LS' version, Genesis version ) in order to affirm evolution of any kind, and of any definition.

The Bible plainly says light before the sun. Plant life before the sun. Sky before the moon an stars. Basically all of Genesis 1 is AGAINST the order of the evolutionary process.

Yes, that water was already there. All God did was DIVIDE IT and bring forth dry land. So where did God create the planet? What verse? Im not asking when did God bring forth dry land or create the sky...

What was that light? Yes it says light before Sun but it does not say what that light was. In fact

oh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
Joh 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it.

Jesus is the light...is that what you believe that Jesus was literally sun light before there was a sun?

Was Paul speaking literal?
Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand; therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk becomingly, as in the day; not in carousings and drinking; not in co-habitation and lustful acts; not in strife and envy.

1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief.
1Th 5:5 You are all the sons of light and the sons of the day. We are not of the night, or of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep as the rest do, but let us watch and be calm.
1Th 5:7 For those sleeping sleep in the night, and those being drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be calm, having put on the breastplate of faith and love and the hope of salvation for a helmet.

2Pe 1:19 We also have a more sure Word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Daystar arises in your hearts,

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

create, made and formed all synonomous

good point. You are asked to debate against prax' word games.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

That is your opinion. You can't test your opinions.

But all this doesn't matter. 13 billion years are not enough time for evolution to take place. and create life as we see it.

130 billion years are not enough age of earth for ecvolution.

All the junk in all the pseudoscience is destroyed by the nathematical probalilities. The probablilites of amino acids self forming and cellular life to form on it;s own is impossible.

So Coco's God can't beat the nath? Or did you mean Math? Amazing...Coco's God is so weak He can't beat the odds?