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Baron1710 · #**411** 06-29-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Talmadge French has a legit degree, though he's neither achieved a PhD, nor are his studies concentrated enough in linguistics that he could be called a scholar.

Does Paul Mooney have a doctorate?

James Hughes and Jeffries hold doctorates, but I'm pretty sure they are not theologically-related and I have no idea where there degrees come from.

Segraves' doctorate is from Western? Is that what someone said?
What about Ensey? Crownover? Norris?

Someone said Nate Wilson has a doctorate, but I believe his was also not theologically-related.

No, Segraves has M.A. in Exegetical Theology (with highest honors) and the Th.M. (with honors) from Western Seminary. his Phd was done at Regent. He was coming and going while I was there doing law. I believe he just recently finished his thesis.

pelathais · #**412** 06-29-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

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Yeah, because someone else got something wrong, we should follow suit?

DAII · #**413** 06-29-2010, 04:35 PM

Dr. Gary Garrett ... of the Apostolic Archives reports that he ....

holds (11) prestegious degrees of Higher Education, including: Master of Theology; Doctor of Philosophy in Religion; Doctor of Historical Antiquities; Doctor of Ministry; Doctor of Theology; Doctor of Sacred Letters; including, two Doctor of Divinity degrees.

http://www.apostolicarchives.com/executive_board.html

DAII · #**414** 06-29-2010, 04:36 PM

Isn't the presiding Bishop of the PAW a medical doctor?

Jeffrey · #**415** 06-29-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

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Alternate translations might prove interesting. Even Trinitarians scholars reveal certain verses might be translated differently such as

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Normally a verse that shows the Son is God...Yet even Trinitarians agree it can be translated "God is your throne" or something like that

What was their reason for opting for the translation they agreed upon? A conflict of theology? Is that what you're proposing?

RWP
It is not certain whether ho theos is here the vocative (address with the nominative form as in Joh_20:28 with the Messiah termed theos as is possible, Joh_1:18) or ho theos is nominative (subject or predicate) with estin (is) understood: “God is thy throne” or “Thy throne is God.” Either makes good sense.

NET bible commentary
Or possibly, "Your throne is God forever and ever." This translation is quite doubtful, however, since (1) in the context the Son is being contrasted to the angels and is presented as far better than they. The imagery of God being the Son's throne would seem to be of God being his authority. If so, in what sense could this not be said of the angels? In what sense is the Son thus contrasted with the angels? (2) The μέν...δέ (men...de) construction that connects Heb_1:7 with Heb_1:8 clearly lays out this contrast: "On the one hand, he says of the angels...on the other hand, he says of the Son." Thus, although it is grammatically possible that θεός (theos) in Heb_1:8 should be taken as a predicate nominative, the context and the correlative conjunctions are decidedly against it. Heb_1:8 is thus a strong affirmation of the deity of Christ.

God as a throne doesn't make much sense. I'm not an exegete by profession though, so I'm always intrigued to read the exegetical commentary on these and decide from there.

Vincents Word Studies
I retain the vocative, although the translation of the Hebrew is doubtful. The following renderings have been proposed: “thy throne (which is a throne) of God”: “thy throne is (a throne) of God”: “God is thy throne.” Some suspect that the Hebrew text is defective.

In summary, what is your driving point here?

Jeffrey · #**416** 06-29-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Dr. Gary Garrett ... of the Apostolic Archives reports that he ....

holds (11) prestegious degrees of Higher Education, including: Master of Theology; Doctor of Philosophy in Religion; Doctor of Historical Antiquities; Doctor of Ministry; Doctor of Theology; Doctor of Sacred Letters; including, two Doctor of Divinity degrees.

http://www.apostolicarchives.com/executive_board.html

Interesting. Quite rare to see a doctorate in a BIO without the school referenced.

Jeffrey · #**417** 06-29-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

No, Segraves has M.A. in Exegetical Theology (with highest honors) and the Th.M. (with honors) from Western Seminary. his Phd was done at Regent. He was coming and going while I was there doing law. I believe he just recently finished his thesis.

Very impressive. What was his PhD in?

pelathais · #**418** 06-29-2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Talmadge French has a legit degree, though he's neither achieved a PhD, nor are his studies concentrated enough in linguistics that he could be called a scholar.

Does Paul Mooney have a doctorate?

James Hughes and Jeffries hold doctorates, but I'm pretty sure they are not theologically-related and I have no idea where there degrees come from.

Segraves' doctorate is from Western? Is that what someone said?
What about Ensey? Crownover? Norris?

Someone said Nate Wilson has a doctorate, but I believe his was also not theologically-related.

Raymundo Crownover (whose name means, King of the World with a Crown Over His Head) has an earned doctorate in philosophy from the University of Missouri (go Tigers! Not!) to go along with his earned graduate degree in education.

Most of his career seems to have been spent as an educator specializing in the development of teaching materials for "distance learners" and other students, fitting with his education degree. I suppose "philosopher" is what he became after ... well, never mind. See Socrates' alleged words on the subject of what makes a man a "philosopher." One word summation: Tribulation.

Jeffrey · #**419** 06-29-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

In looking at a lot of the names it seems many are merely "reverends"...Im pretty sure they include them for balance not expertise.

Also being on a committee doesn't necessarily mean being one of the members that actually translate.

That's where I was going with it.

You can imagine, though, how that was probably tossed around to UPCI families. They likely thought he was sorting through copies of manuscripts.

Jeffrey · #**420** 06-29-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Raymundo Crownover (whose name means, King of the World with a Crown Over His Head) has an earned doctorate in philosophy from the University of Missouri (go Tigers! Not!) to go along with his earned graduate degree in education.

Most of his career seems to have been spent as an educator specializing in the development of teaching materials for "distance learners" and other students.

So most of his learnings, at least at post-graduate studies level, is not theological.