All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, you create one straw man after another to argue with. But at least you finally answered my simple question.

Ummm, I already told you that I did not consider your question worthy of response it was so absurd.

But, don't worry....I'll have a few questions for you below & we'll see if you'll give a straight answer !

First of all, there is no "continuing application" of the blood. That is my point. There in NO application of the blood other than the one that happened 2000 years ago.

You're as wrong as a lesbian pastor! After the biblical new birth (belief, repentance, water & Spirit baptism in Jesus' name) the Blood is applied daily when we repent of our transgressions & sins.


Here, let me help you out of your error: "but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin."


***The Greek word translated "cleanses" above (καθαρίζει) is a present tense-indicative mood-active voice verb....which signifies the continuity of the action in the present.


When we qualify the subject of the 1st person-possessive-plural pronoun translated "us," as in His Blood "cleanses us" (i.e., continuously cleansing the NT church)....we see precisely where your error lies.


His Blood is textually presented as "continuously-actively-cleansing" the NT church....And Thank God for it!

Do you deny or accept the chosen grammar of the inspired Apostle John here or not:____________? (Answer please!).

In repentance/baptism, we simply put our faith in and submit to the righteousness of that blood. Through that past sacrifice, God justifies us and is then able to save us by his LIFE. Baptism into Jesus Christ is about death, but being raised with him by Holy Ghost baptism is about LIFE. And I'm not neglecting any aspect of soteriology. We can never have life until we have death. Until we put off the old man, we can never have the new man. What I'm refuting is the ridiculous notion fostered by some of my Apostolic brethren that one can be quickened by that life without having been pardoned in death!!: jolly

Not following you here at all?? I don't know of an Apostolic preacher alive who teaches that one can be saved prior to "death" (i.e., Repentance)?? Looks like you're the one erecting that big ol' straw-man!

I read the testimony recently of a former Baptist pastor who received the Holy Ghost baptism. It revolutionized his life (actually ,he had no life prior to receiving it.) Many years later, someone introduced him to the truth of Baptism in Jesus. Name. He said, and I quote, "It was then that I realized that, even though I had had been filled with the Spirit, the blood of Jesus had never touched my life". In other words, he believed he was till in his sins and under condemnation!! BBBWWAAHHaahhaa! HOW EMBARRASSING for the Apostolic movement that any one of us could believe such utter nonsense and BLASPHEMY!

What is "utter nonsense" is to say that this man was saved without having been born again of water, or having been buried with Christ in baptism for the remission of his sins (Acts 2.38; Acts 22:16; Acts 10:44-48; John 3:3-5)! Half-born babies do not usually survive!


The man was absolutely correct to be water baptized in Jesus' name....Just as was Cornelius! Oh, & lest I forget....There is neither Jew nor Gentile, so your anomaly argument w/ Cornelius does not posses the explanatory power to override the fact that he was water baptized immediately....& had to to be saved (& I can prove that from the text itself).

And I'll say it again. If that brother's sins had not been forgiven, then that means he had not truly repented in God's eyes. And if he had not truly repented, then he had NEVER received the Holy Ghost.....PERIOD.

Well, you can say it until the cows come home, but it will not make it true!

The biblical facts are that until one is water & Spirit baptized in Jesus' name (in no hyper-strict order) they are not in covenant relationship w/ God....Despite how many times you stomp your foot & scream otherwise .

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by rdp

Well, you can say it until the cows come home, but it will not make it true!

The biblical facts are that until one is water & Spirit baptized in Jesus' name (in no hyper-strict order) they are not in covenant relationship w/ God....Despite how many times you stomp you foot & scream otherwise .

HA! That's like saying Jesus could have risen before he died!! And you really couldn't refute my last points.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Originalist

HA! That's like saying Jesus could have risen before he died!! And you really couldn't refute my last points.

Are you serious? Apparently Cornelius never received this memo!


Nothing on the exegetical force of I John 1.7 & the present-active-tense of the verb translated "cleanses"??


I have more syntactical information on this verse, but am waiting on you to engage the chosen grammar of the text.


So, let me ask you for the 2nd time now...Do you accept or reject the chosen grammar of the inspired Apostle John in I John 1.7 (I figured you would dodge this text):_____________?


You made a false assertion & I am asking you to interact with the parsing of the verb translated "cleanses us".















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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by rdp

Are you serious? Apparently Cornelius never received this memo!


Nothing on the exegetical force of I John 1.7 & the present-active-tense of the verb translated "cleanses"??


I have more syntactical information on this verse, but am waiting on you to engage the chosen grammar of the text.


So, let me ask you for the 2nd time now...Do you accept or reject the chosen grammar of the inspired Apostle John in I John 1.7 (I figured you would dodge this text):_____________?


You made a false assertion & I am asking you to interact with the parsing of the verb translated "cleanses us".















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Good stuff.

[Praxeas]

Gal 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Gal 5:15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

[Old Paths]

[seekerman]

A scriptural example of half-born, Holy Ghost filled, Spirit baptized, tongue talking....children of Satan (according to the theology of some)....

Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
Act 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Act 10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Act 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Act 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by rdp

Are you serious? Apparently Cornelius never received this memo!


Nothing on the exegetical force of I John 1.7 & the present-active-tense of the verb translated "cleanses"??


I have more syntactical information on this verse, but am waiting on you to engage the chosen grammar of the text.


So, let me ask you for the 2nd time now...Do you accept or reject the chosen grammar of the inspired Apostle John in I John 1.7 (I figured you would dodge this text):_____________?


You made a false assertion & I am asking you to interact with the parsing of the verb translated "cleanses us".















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And still, nothing about the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God. Why is the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God such a delimma for oneness pentecostals that it's absent from the foundational part of any discussion concerning salvation?

"My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness;
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name.
Refrain:
On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand;
All other ground is sinking sand,
All other ground is sinking sand."

Sadly for oneness pentecostals, their foundation is built on the shifting sand of faith in the perfect work of another man on their behalf instead of Jesus the Christ.

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[rdp]

Originally Posted by seekerman

A scriptural example of half-born, Holy Ghost filled, Spirit baptized, tongue talking....children of Satan (according to the theology of some)....

Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
Act 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Act 10:46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Act 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Act 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Poor ol' Peter the "legalist"....What was he ever thinking piping up w/ a command to be water baptized when these folks were already speaking in tongues ??

Ohhhhhh, that's right, because the angel specifically told Cornelius that Peter would speak "words" whereby him & his household would be saved.

Apparently Trinitarians think Peter gave sign-language when he gave the command to be water baptized in Jesus' Precious Name !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by seekerman

And still, nothing about the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God. Why is the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God such a delimma for oneness pentecostals that it's absent from the foundational part of any discussion concerning salvation?

Hmm, apparently Ned in the first reader missed where I explicitly went through how the blood is always shed prior to fire & outpourings of oil. Or, maybe you overlooked where I exegeted the parsing of the verb translated "cleanses" in I John 1.7 & expressed great thanks that the Blood of Christ is still applied to our transgressions today. Tell me, which of these did you overlook ?

And, why is the biblical command to be water baptized in Jesus' Name such a dilemma for Trinitarians??? Mind-boggling!?

"My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness;
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly lean on Jesus’ name.
Refrain:
On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand;
All other ground is sinking sand,
All other ground is sinking sand."

Sadly for oneness pentecostals, their foundation is built on the shifting sand of faith in the perfect work of another man on their behalf instead of Jesus the Christ.

Sadly, for Trinitarians, their faith is built on "another Jesus" & an unbiblical plan of salvation.

Obey John 3.3-8 & Acts 2.37-41 & live!

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False prophets do not impress me........!