Islam vs. Christianity Part 1

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Idly answering and annoyed at the headline waving


The difference is you face the Kaaba. You face an object, where ever you are at in the world you face it. We do not face the platform where ever we are at. When I pray at home, I do not face it. When I am at church by myself praying I do not face it. Heathens face an alter dedicated to other gods...the meaning of the word alter is a different meaning. And often there is an idol of worship ON the alter. They are facing an alter because it shows devotion to their god. They are facing an alter because it represents their god. You really are misunderstanding. We call it an alter, not because it represents a god. Not because there is an object of worship on it. We call it an alter or an alter area simply because it is a gathering place to pray, not because we are objectifying a platform

It is our alter. Facing it is a symbol of unity. Does either the Quran OR teachings of Mohammed say differently? Or do both specifically state that one is to pray to one and only one God and He is not to be shared with anything?

You objectify a meteorite stone. The Koran? What does the Koran say about facing Mecca?

Oh Mutts DO in fact grope...they rape women. In many foreign countries they engage in beastiality to practice (I can provide you with the information if you like). Mutt kids have done a LOT of things that I am sure you would be ashamed of. including homosexual acts. As for conservtive, again you don't have a clue who and what you are dealing with. I saw a muslim picking his nose...was that prayer? How stupid can you be? Are all muslims the same? Are they all terrorists? Why not find a Pentecostal church that is conservative and again ask to join their prayer meetings.

I should try the one in NC, you know -

REIDSVILLE, N.C. -- A Reidsville man is in jail after police said a 15-year-old girl said he had sexual dealings with her. Rockingham County sheriff's deputies said 56-year-old Gary Thomas Wheeler had sex with the teenager since early 2009. Wheeler told deputies he is a self employed painter and pastor of a Pentecostal Holiness Church in Rockingham County.

Ah, had this been in an Islamic nation the girl would have been gang raped by her brothers for shaming the family. Here we seek justice, even for those claiming to be Christians.

Whatever YOU people grope usually appears to be under 18. tsssk tsssk

I have never groped anyone, let alone that young. Can't say the same for Muhammed though! He groped a 9 year old. Gotta love the religion of peace started by a pedophile whose followers are still to this day raping little girls then having her stoned for tempting them into doing it

Again, you give because it is mandatory. We give out of love and devotion to God, either it is mandatory or not

I know it is not because the bible specifically tells you to. lol

That the bible tells us how Christians are to be, including giving, does not make our commitment an act of doing so because we are told to.

Muhammad who, after the death of his first wife, agreed, at the urging of his followers, to marry a young prepubertal girl (many argued that the age was 7), Ayesha. “Most Islamic authorities believe the marriage was not consummated until she menstruated, the traditionally acceptable time for marriage”, writes Bullough (1973)[2]. This age of consummation was commonly assumed to be nine[3], as reported by Bullough (1976208[4]; cf. Moztki, p492, 493).

The seductive climate would have to lead to Paradoxia:
“Sex for boys in the Middle East is said to begin in infancy and continue throughout childhood. Parents and others masturbate the infant’s penis in order “to increase its size and strengthen it”, and older siblings have been observed playing with the genitals of babies for hours at a time.[[14]] As the boy gets older, mutual masturbation, fellatio and anal intercourse are said to be common among children, particularly with the older boys using the younger children as sex objects as a reaction to the over stimulation of the family bed”.


Imam justifies rape
of unveiled women
Australian cleric compares victims
to 'uncovered meat' that attracts cats
Posted: October 26, 2006
1:40 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com


Australia's top Muslim cleric rationalized a series of gang rapes by Arab men, blaming women who "sway suggestively," wear make-up and don't cover themselves in the tradition of Islam.

Sheik Ibrahim Mogra with Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly. (Courtesy Sydney Daily Telegraph)
Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly's comments in a Ramadan sermon in a Sydney mosque have stirred a furor in the country with even Prime Minister John Howard weighing in with condemnation.
The cleric also said the judge in the case, who sentenced the rapists, had "no mercy."
"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims – whom he said were "weapons used by Satan."
The victims of the vicious gang rapes are leading the national outcry – with some calling for deportation of the sheik. In a Sydney Daily Telegraph online poll, 84 percent of people said the Egyptian-born sheik should be deported.


"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" the sheik said in his sermon. "The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...et/4118073.stm



A former Muslim cleric has been jailed for 10 years for raping and sexually abusing a 12-year-old girl in a mosque where he was teaching.


Manzoor Hussain, 42, of Ashley Road, Bristol was convicted of one offence of rape and four of indecent assault.


The offences took place at a mosque in the city between July 1996 and March the following year


TAMPA TRIBUNE - A 35-year-old Imam (Holy Man) sexually battered a 13-year-old boy at a Tampa mosque, Masjid Omar Al Mokhtar, Sunday morning, police say, Masjid Omar Al Mokhtar mosque, is located at 1307 W North B Street Tampa Fl.


The victim was staying overnight at the mosque at 1307 W. North B St. waiting for early morning prayer, an arrest report states.
Yasser Mohamed Shahade a prayer leader who had been in the country for about two months and had been staying at the mosque, sexually battered the victim about 6 a.m., police say.


WOW...you guys like em young don't you?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I guess in addition to other things like halloween parties and groping the "holiness pentecostals" have something else going in those churches.

You like waving headlines at me? We tried this before. There are far, far, far more to find from christian churches and I won't search the entire world like you have to do. These are today's for your enjoyment.



Yeah check it out:

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (Indiana's NewsCenter) - A Fort Wayne pastor and businessman is accused of stealing money from the accounts of developmentally disabled adults living in group homes that he oversees. 56-year-old Ernest Beal, junior is charged with one-count of felony theft.

CENTER HILL -- A former youth pastor was charged with four counts of sexual battery Tuesday, on accusations he had a four-year sexual relationship with a teen-aged member of the church. Jose Alfredo Coronado, 38, of Center Hill, was arrested at his job at the Sumter County Supervisor of Elections office. He is being held at the Sumter County jail in lieu of $120,000 bail.

A pastor for the Church of God of Prophecy in Salt Lake City faces felony charges for allegedly exposing himself on the Internet and asking a police officer posing as a minor sexually explicit questions. The pastor faces four third-degree felony charges of attempted dealing in material harmful to a minor after an investigation by the Utah Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) task force. The 67-year-old was in a chat room when he asked the questions and exposed himself on a Web camera, according to a news release from the Utah Attorney General's Office. This occurred several times, including once while he was using the Internet while visiting his wife in the hospital, the release said.

REIDSVILLE, N.C. -- A Reidsville man is in jail after police said a 15-year-old girl said he had sexual dealings with her. Rockingham County sheriff's deputies said 56-year-old Gary Thomas Wheeler had sex with the teenager since early 2009. Wheeler told deputies he is a self employed painter and pastor of a Pentecostal Holiness Church in Rockingham County.

MIAMI, May 19 (UPI) -- U.S. officials say a Florida pastor led a real estate money laundering operation on behalf of Miami cocaine dealers. A federal indictment unsealed Monday in Miami alleged Garry Souffrant, 33, identified as the pastor of God First Ministries in Miami Gardens, Fla

You're the one "waving" stuff. You brought up Pennycostals and implied they are all groping one another. All I did was suggest visiting a church and ask about their prayer meeting. IF you don't like what you get in return then you need to check yourself

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Do you actually believe there are not many, many more? I generally do not play headlines so ima sit back, take a break, and certainly will come back with more if it is warranted.

I've got a few newspapers from the last few days. I'll save them and puick out the Islamo-Facist news of the day (can even find good ones in "News of the Weird") if you like.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Once again, what you say and what your bible say are different. This is sad I have to teach you from your own bible.

You didn't finish the verse Wii. Finish the verse. If it's a male child, her purification continues for either 33 days (if it's a male) or 66 days (if it's a female). The point at which you stopped is where the child is presented at the temple (7 or 14 days). Not a woman's period of "uncleanliness."
See Leviticus 12:1-8.
Big difference.
Sorry, I did enough research (through a number of commentaries) on that to have it burned in my memory.

[Walks_in_islam]

If ANYONE follows 'fascist news' its an american christian. by all means be my guest.

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

You didn't finish the verse Wii. Finish the verse. If it's a male child, her purification continues for either 33 days (if it's a male) or 66 days (if it's a female). The point at which you stopped is where the child is presented at the temple (7 or 14 days). Not a woman's period of "uncleanliness."

What are you numb? Did you read what I said above? I will remind you.

What the book actually SAYS is She shall not touch anything holy, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying are completed and that is the reference to the 40 days.

You see anything about husband/wife relations in that verse? where? Quick - find a commentary online to add stuff to it lol

The "7 days" and "14 days" refer back to the law concerning husband/wife relations. That is a monthly thing. The additional days after childbirth were the time she had to wait before going into the temple, praying, etc. Two different sets of requirements for two different reasons.


See Leviticus 12:1-8.

(I) referenced Lev 12 (for you) and need no help from the likes of you. Go back to your commentaries

Big difference.
Sorry, I did enough research (through a number of commentaries) on that to have it burned in my memory.

You can stick your 'commentaries'. You people always need someone to tell you what your bible means don't you. lol

[Walks_in_islam]

Implied? I flat out stated what I actually saw last time I saw some pennycostals. Told ya, I have to pass on that you are not conservative enough for me. Nobody who comes from a place where 1 in 4 teens has an std has any room to talk about "liking them young" or "groping". Tell you what - after your OWN house is clean I'll maybe listen to you.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You're the one "waving" stuff. You brought up Pennycostals and implied they are all groping one another. All I did was suggest visiting a church and ask about their prayer meeting. IF you don't like what you get in return then you need to check yourself

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Implied? I flat out stated what I actually saw last time I saw some pennycostals. Told ya, I have to pass on that you are not conservative enough for me. Nobody who comes from a place where 1 in 4 teens has an std has any room to talk about "liking them young" or "groping". Tell you what - after your OWN house is clean I'll maybe listen to you.

A place? You mean America...that includes Mutts too you know. It's not Pentecostals. Rather yet, after YOUR own house is clean then talk about Pentecostals... Hey, I got something to tickle your fancy..

Here is a very young goat. Maybe we should but a burkha on her?


I know Muhammed loved his women VERY young, but how about his goats?

Let's see. Your kids murder innocents with bombs. They grope goats. They grope themselves and if their young sister get's raped all the young boys of her family can gang rape her, then kill her for shaming the family. Yeah, nice conservative religion you got there.

Add to that the Muslims addicted to herion in Pakistan and the sex slave market in Iran. Oh yeah, great religion you got there buddy.

[Aquila]

The director of my Department is a Muslim. He is very humble and kind. Also he is very generous. I've met few men of his caliber, even in Pentecost. He's occasionally talked about Islam and one thing that he makes clear is that he and many other Muslims strongly disdain the radical fundamentalists in his religion that are turning their religion into a "faith of blood". I once asked him about the verses in the Koran that frighten non-Muslims. He explained that one has to understand the context of a verse in the Koran. At times Muhammad was at war with a tribe or city. When he ordered the absolute destruction of the "infidels" he was specifically addressing his present enemies, not all non-Muslims for all time. It's comparable to the commands of God in the OT to destroy an entire people including men women and children. It doesn't mean that we are to commit genocide against all pagans for all time. It was strictly in the context of a battle between ancient Israel and her enemies.

One thing my Director said was, "No Muslim parent truly wants their child to become a suicide bomber." He explained that the radical fundamentalist religious leaders in Islam recruit from poor and downtrodden families to find their suicide bombers because these people are desperate and easily manipulated. He said that these leaders are tyrants whom Allah will judge harshly.

I just wanted to mention these things because some of the statements here are beyond rational and are very ignorant of what real Muslims are about.

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Now that I've said that much, let me add something. Make no bones about it, they are out to convert the world to Islam. They believe that Allah will give them dominance over every nation and if one has been tracking the growth of Islam it looks like this could very well happen. Islam is growing by leaps and bounds faster than Christianity. Islam just out numbered Catholicism last year. It is a very real possibility that our grandchildren will grow up in an increasingly Islamic society.

Meanwhile we're completely divided denouncing each over television and women's hair length.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The director of my Department is a Muslim. He is very humble and kind. Also he is very generous. I've met few men of his caliber, even in Pentecost. He's occasionally talked about Islam and one thing that he makes clear is that he and many other Muslims strongly disdain the radical fundamentalists in his religion that are turning their religion into a "faith of blood". I once asked him about the verses in the Koran that frighten non-Muslims. He explained that one has to understand the context of a verse in the Koran. At times Muhammad was at war with a tribe or city. When he ordered the absolute destruction of the "infidels" he was specifically addressing his present enemies, not all non-Muslims for all time. It's comparable to the commands of God in the OT to destroy an entire people including men women and children. It doesn't mean that we are to commit genocide against all pagans for all time. It was strictly in the context of a battle between ancient Israel and her enemies.

One thing my Director said was, "No Muslim parent truly wants their child to become a suicide bomber." He explained that the radical fundamentalist religious leaders in Islam recruit from poor and downtrodden families to find their suicide bombers because these people are desperate and easily manipulated. He said that these leaders are tyrants whom Allah will judge harshly.

I just wanted to mention these things because some of the statements here are beyond rational and are very ignorant of what real Muslims are about.

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Now that I've said that much, let me add something. Make no bones about it, they are out to convert the world to Islam. They believe that Allah will give them dominance over every nation and if one has been tracking the growth of Islam it looks like this could very well happen. Islam is growing by leaps and bounds faster than Christianity. Islam just out numbered Catholicism last year. It is a very real possibility that our grandchildren will grow up in an increasingly Islamic society.

Meanwhile we're completely divided denouncing each over television and women's hair length.

Aquila, the statements being made here are in response to the idiotic statements by a Muslim.

I also know a Muslim person that, thankfully, is unlike this fellow here and as far from being an extremist as can be. The posts are hyperbole in response to the posts this guy is making

[Walks_in_islam]

You got tis for tat. What did you expect? You go find some obscure headline about something bad a Muslim did then apply that headline to the entire muslim faith. We discussed this weeks ago - so you get it back and you get upset? Suddenly you're the victim? lol @ you looking for an excuse to be insulting

Like the bible, the Quran forbids "relations" with animals
Like the bible, the Quran forbids "relations" with siblings
Like the bible, the Quran forbids "relations" during a woman's time
Like the bible, the Quran forbids worshipping idols

On the subject of adultery:

According to the Quran, if a woman is accused of adultery, you must have (4) independent witnesses. Otherwise, if she denies it, and you have no witnesses, then she is to be considered innocent.

On the subject of killing the innocent:

According to the Quran, if you kill the innocent, it is like killing all of mankind. There is no paradise for you even if you make yourself into a 'not-so-smart' bomb and launch yourself into a crowd. Even the president pointed this one out.

So, if you find a headline about any of the above, then it is in direct contradiction to the Quran and teachings of Islam. Which means, like the pastors who can't keep their "rod of correction" in their pants or their hands out of the church till or stay away from the family dog, THEY ARE JUST BAD PEOPLE WHO DO BAD THINGS. To say that they do these things "in the name of Islam" when the Quran directly teaches otherwise is no different from me pulling all of these articles off the internet then implying that because these people are "christians" then what they do is "christianity".

I stated this months ago. You want to keep going, fine - but this is tiresome.

(cute goat) lol

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Aquila, the statements being made here are in response to the idiotic statements by a Muslim.

I also know a Muslim person that, thankfully, is unlike this fellow here and as far from being an extremist as can be. The posts are hyperbole in response to the posts this guy is making