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10-29-2007, 11:49 PM
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People get old and are too weak when hurt seriously.
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10-29-2007, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume
People get old and are too weak when hurt seriously.
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I agree.
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10-30-2007, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by big-larry
I'm sorry, this thread is not at all going where I had intended to go with it.
We've all prayed for things and about things that didn't come to pass. Since God has made promises and He cannot lie, there has to be answers somewhere as to why those prayers did happen like we thought they would.
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And therin lie the great value of praying... not simply presenting a wishlist, but discovering His will and submitting with patience.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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10-30-2007, 12:15 AM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Originally Posted by big-larry
I wish I could change the title of this thread.
Why do most of you think that you need a lot of people praying for your healing? The more... the better..., or so they say.
Maybe among a lot of people there's a better chance that God will hear one of them?
Maybe there's someone in the group that can pray the prayer of faith? You know God has His favorites, right?
God, I've pulled all the levers and pushed all the buttons, why haven't you healed me?
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Big-larry... I know you knew or knew of my father John A Eckstadt.
His words to us as I was only 13 at the time.
He was terminally ill and the doctors called the family in to let us know we as younger kids needed to say good-bye.
Here are the actual words my Father spoke.
Nathan, I know you fell pain and sorrow. Understand where I come from in all of this....
Son it takes more faith to die than it does to live.
Think about it many folks want to know the Lord has to heal them...
One more day gives them the tangable life.
But to know that in death you are still in Christ....
Is the greatest levels of faith..
Death is not a defeat it is a victory.
We should not sorrow in someone of any level dying in Christ.
We should celebrate their faithfullness to God and his kingdom.
We need to honor them in the dignity and faith by which they lived and died.
Healing is just a miracle, even Lazarus died a second death.
The ultimate moment of redemption is completed when a soul is at rest in Christ at the death of the human body.
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10-30-2007, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
Big-larry... I know you knew or knew of my father John A Eckstadt.
His words to us as I was only 13 at the time.
He was terminally ill and the doctors called the family in to let us know we as younger kids needed to say good-bye.
Here are the actual words my Father spoke.
Nathan, I know you fell pain and sorrow. Understand where I come from in all of this....
Son it takes more faith to die than it does to live.
Think about it many folks want to know the Lord has to heal them...
One more day gives them the tangable life.
But to know that in death you are still in Christ....
Is the greatest levels of faith..
Death is not a defeat it is a victory.
We should not sorrow in someone of any level dying in Christ.
We should celebrate their faithfullness to God and his kingdom.
We need to honor them in the dignity and faith by which they lived and died.
Healing is just a miracle, even Lazarus died a second death.
The ultimate moment of redemption is completed when a soul is at rest in Christ at the death of the human body.
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Very touching my friend, and very true.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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10-30-2007, 12:50 AM
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A Prince of the Gospel!
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His ways are above our ways! His thoughts above our thoughts! He takes counsel of His OWN Will.
Are you really asking this question of God? It seems so. I don't know your true intent, but it has the potential to be a very foolish question. Especially, if you declare yourself to be a student of His Word.
Get a stronger grip on Whom you serve and trust. Job's response is revealing and insightful into a "perfect and upright" man's earthly view of God's "doings." Yet though He slay me...yet will I trust Him. When I cannot feel Him anywhere in my life, I KNOW my redeemer liveth. Job was not prepared to "charge God foolishly."
You can learn from that if you choose to do so. The Lord addressed serious doubts and distrust, not to answer them, but to simply ask that we have faith in His perfect, inerrant judgment. Don't be offended in how God does His business.
Questions about how many people does it take to heal someone all miss the singular Truth about Him. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He is the Vine and we are the branches.
Please remember, "What is there about this life that makes it more valuable than the world to come?" Your questioning brings to mind the old spiritual...
..."Everybody's talkin' about heav'n...but nobody wants to die."
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10-30-2007, 01:04 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Hello, Sibs!!
What do we do when our experience does not reflect the Word?
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Change the word
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10-30-2007, 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by big-larry
I wish I could change the title of this thread.
Why do most of you think that you need a lot of people praying for your healing? The more... the better..., or so they say.
Maybe among a lot of people there's a better chance that God will hear one of them?
Maybe there's someone in the group that can pray the prayer of faith? You know God has His favorites, right?
God, I've pulled all the levers and pushed all the buttons, why haven't you healed me?
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Big Larry,
I haven't read through this thread only your first post.So to that I will reply.
Prayer is not a make God do what you want attempt.Prayer is a submission of flesh to the will of God.Its a face to face conversation with Jesus not a session convincing Him to give us our way.Sometimes God says,"no," and I am so glad He does.Imagine what life were like if Jesus gave us everything
we ever uttered in prayer???? There would be alot of cars sitting in my drive way for sure.Praying as Jesus instructed us also included ....thy will be done.
That means acceptance of whatever He decides.
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10-30-2007, 01:22 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Change the word
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I like Big Larry's response better: "Judge your experience by the Word"! It was a rhetorical question.
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10-30-2007, 04:03 AM
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Hello Bro-Lar... I'm just getting caught back up with this thread...
In the verse you quote, David does say "all." So, some folks may ask, "Why are not 'all' healed?" But by doing this we are really forcing a rigidness upon the meaning of words that natural language doesn't intend and we're not being fair to the writer (or speaker).
In Philippians 4:13, it says: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Does that really mean, "I can do all things?" Can I rob a bank and Christ will help me to get away with it? Can I cheat on my taxes and Christ will cover for me with the I.R.S.?
Of course not, Paul wanted to emphasize the limitless potential of the power of Christ in the life of the believer, but he knew that anyone with a sound mind who read the whole letter was not going to think they had a license to sin.
This is an example of an "elliptical phrase." This phrase in and of itself is imperfect and requires that the reader have a broader context for understanding the writer's statement.
It's the same with healing "all our diseases." Some commentators have suggested that what the Psalmist had in mind was "all the diseases that afflicted the Egyptians," or perhaps "all their diseases" during the Wilderness journey. Verse 7, makes reference to Moses and the children of Israel, so some take this whole Psalm as a recounting of the Exodus and subsequent events ( Exodus 15:26).
Others look forward to a time when we shall be gathered together to be with Him forever and the healing that takes place then ( Revelation 22:2). No one seriously believes that "all" diseases "at all times" for "all believers everywhere is what the Psalm is teaching. Not even Jesus had this expectation ( Matthew 25:31-36).
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