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09-16-2007, 04:57 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Good God Almighty!!! Dat bees what I was thinkin!!! That done it!! Jesus done moved into da house now!!! Ha!!
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09-16-2007, 05:00 AM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by IAintMovin
She seems to have been struggling a bit lately since you and I have stopped pointing out her mistakes.......maybe we need to start that ministry again..........
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Ya know, Brother, after looking at yer avatar.............I believe I am totally in the will of God by lettin you know...........YOU NEED TO PRAY THROUGH!!!!
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09-16-2007, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Klein
Reverend or Rev, Both are Titles Given by Satan!
Please don't accept the title Satan gives to his men and ladies!
What is this title? It is 'reverend'. Is it found in Jesus' Holy Bible? No.
Satan made up the title to boost an individual's pride!
The position of 'reverend' is also designed to separate clergy from laity. The reverend is over the laity. The reverend is the boss. This position is to make the reverend professional and the laity non-professional. The reverend expects to be elevated over the laity. If you don't obey the reverend, you are headed for hell! So, he or she threatens. Obviously, this doctrine is of demons.
This study is written to expose error within the Apostolic movement, only.
Reverend, The Holy Reverend, The Most Holy Reverend, Etc.
Are you just a reverend? Why not tack some more so-called spiritual words to your title of reverend? It all displeases Jesus anyway. Can your sin be any worse?
rev·er·end
1. Deserving reverence.
2. Relating to or characteristic of the clergy; clerical.
3. Reverend Abbr. Rev. Used as a title and form of address for certain clerics in many Christian churches. In formal usage, preceded by the: the Reverend Jane Doe; Reverend John Jones.
n. Informal
A cleric or minister. Used with the.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003.
Nicolaitanes are those called 'reverends'. A 'reverend' is a nicolaitane!
Who do you want to please, God or a denomination? Sure a denomination can give you a license to preach, Jesus gives you the anointing to preach, so you don’t need a license! Your state can give you a license without belonging to a denomination.
“But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.” Revelations 2:6
“So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.” Revelations 2:15
The Greek meaning of ‘Nicolaitanes’ is ‘nico’ which means 'control' and ‘laitanes’ which means ‘people’. We get the word 'laity' from the Greek word for 'laitanes'.
Why is a reverend a nicolaitane? Because, he or she is controlling Jesus' people.
God hates the deeds and doctrine of those who control His people! RIGHT?
So, Jesus hates having people control His people!
What is the ministry of a pastor? To control or lead?
What is the ministry of a reverend? He/she is determined to control you!
Titles and Pride in Jesus' ChurchTitles are great to build ones pride! Titles are great to exult oneself! What did Jesus say?
“And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, [7] And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. [8] But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. [9] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [10] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. [11] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.” Matthew 23:6-12
Do you ever see anyone who is a Christian having a title before his name in God’s Holy Bible? We don’t see ‘Apostle Paul’, ‘Apostle Peter’, Deacon _____, Minister ______, Elder ______, etc. I have chosen to follow the Holy Bible!
There is at least one Apostolic denomination that has bishops which are not shepherding a church and have never shepherded a church! They could careless what the Holy Bible teaches, for they themselves are not holy.
A local church has two pastors (only), but because they haven’t jumped through the hoops required of their denomination are called directors. The members of their church correct me by saying they are not pastors but directors. The pastors say they are not pastors but directors. I say ‘WHAT??????’! Jesus says, … . They are pastors, but they can't be called pastors until they have jumped through more manmade hoops to be called reverends!
Another church’s pastor only comes out to preach. He is not part of the praise and worship and prayer time. So, doesn’t he need to worship, praise, and pray with his church? Obviously, he or his denomination doesn’t think so! But, he is a reverend!
Do you think Jesus approves of 'reverend'?
Denominations started this man-made tradition!
When I hear or see someone addressed as 'reverend', my first thought is this is Satan's man or lady! Then I see the person's pride and self promotion.
What does Jesus see?
In Jesus,
Bruce the Brother
PS. A study on denominations can be found at:
http://www.freewebs.com/acseminary/denominationsno.htm
My blog:
http://brobruce.blogspot.com/
PSS. Some of my friends who are in denominations state they could never teach a certain Biblical truth, or they would be kicked out of the denomination. Since I am not part of any denomination or organization, I can and do teach what Jesus gives me to teach! I have no fear of being kicked out of an organization! Thank you, Jesus!!!!
Just watch, religious spirits like to attack those who are spiritual!
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Interesting.....
I just wrote this not to long ago.
Called .....The Forbidden....
http://www.praize.com/cgi-bin/member...hyear=Sep_2007
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09-16-2007, 02:38 PM
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Beaux's li'l buddy............
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,191
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Originally Posted by Rico
Ya know, Brother, after looking at yer avatar.............I believe I am totally in the will of God by lettin you know...........YOU NEED TO PRAY THROUGH!!!!
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What is wrong with my avatar??????????????.......yo sho nuff better not be a referin to daLadyIam.........
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09-16-2007, 03:01 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 45,787
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Originally Posted by Rico
Ya know, Brother, after looking at yer avatar.............I believe I am totally in the will of God by lettin you know...........YOU NEED TO PRAY THROUGH!!!!
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Rico, you ever play online games like Wolfenstein multiplayer?
The weirdest thing. I was playing and then someone with the nick Rico joined then someone with the nick Tina's Cat joined..lol
I wanted to ask Tina if she ever plays too...or maybe Rob
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-16-2007, 03:50 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: near Cincinnati, Ohio
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At least one OP organization has gone on record against using the title "Rev."
This is from page 22 of the bylaws of The Church of Jesus Christ headquartered in Kingsport, TN
Section 5. Titles Used In Reference To The Minister
No minister in The Church of Jesus Christ shall be referred to as Reverend. The Bible gives titles to which we may refer to one another. They are: Bishop, Elder, Evangelist, Missionary, Pastor, Teacher, and Apostle
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
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09-16-2007, 04:10 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Wisconsin
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BK,
It looks to me like you are on a hobby horse. The difference between you and some others who are on hobby horses is that they DO have an organization to help them defend it.
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09-17-2007, 02:53 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
I have had a revelation:
Every married man should be a reverend!
Eph 5:33 (KJV)
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
If you are reverenced then aren't you a reverend?
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Now, finally, THAT is bible!
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...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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09-17-2007, 04:58 PM
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1 Kings 1:31
Then Bathsheba bowed with her face to the earth, and did reverence to the king, and said, Let my lord king David live for ever.
Since King David recieved reverence would it be a sin to call him The reverend King David?
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09-17-2007, 05:39 PM
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Revere
REVE'RE, v.t. [L. revereor; re and vereor, to fear.]
To regard with fear mingled with respect and affection; to venerate; to reverence; to honor in estimation.
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Revere means to honour.
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1Ti 5:17 KJV Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
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So if revere means to "honour", and reverence is simply giving honour to someone, and ministers should receive double honour, then what is wrong with saying "reverend"? I dare say the idea came from 1 Ti 5:17!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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