Do you believe in modesty

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think the denominal world has a pretty good handle on modesty. They don't stigmatize normal behavior, and thus remove the adrenalin rush that comes with doing normal every day things in our Western culture.

What, does the church actually believe that by regulating morality they are keeping men from sin?

Don't think so.

Is this the world you're writing about?

denominal

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de·nom·i·nal Pronunciation: \dē-ˈnä-mə-nəl\ Function: adjective Date: 1959 : derived from a noun

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Yes... and now the cultural trend is that it is okay for women to wear pants... except for the .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000001 percent of the population that is Pentecostal and think that only whores wear them.

Yes, that doesn't really address my question though. You raised the issue of bible, how they dressed and I asked what influenced them. What you did was state the obvious about OUR current culture, which is not a biblical culture but a secular one.

We were talking about "in the bible" referring specifically to the Hebrews. Was their distinction in dress influence by God somehow or by culture? Pagan? Secular? Get my point? How did THEY come to their conclusion about distinction and modesty?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't say "folks here don't believe in modesty at all". I said to hear some of their arguments one MIGHT be led to believe that. And so here is an opportunity for everyone to say YES I believe in modesty for a change instead of trying to tear down someone elses notion of modesty

Sorry...that was the conclusion I drew from your post...my mistake.

That being said, even from the argunents of some, I never thought that.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Barb

Sorry...that was the conclusion I drew from your post...my mistake.

That being said, even from the argunents of some, I never thought that.

I have. There is so much attacking going on about what others see as modest that it's hard not to wonder.

I would say their dress in biblical times was influenced by God AND culture... just like today. At some point people switched from robes to dresses for women and from robes to trousers on men.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

To read some of the "arguments" (for lack of a better word and one that won't get me in trouble", one might be led to believe some where don't believe in modesty at all.

Should we dress and act modestly? And if so, how do you go about deciding what is modest and what is not?

I will not wear anything that shows off my body in a sexual way.

[Elihu]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

To read some of the "arguments" (for lack of a better word and one that won't get me in trouble", one might be led to believe some where don't believe in modesty at all.

Should we dress and act modestly? And if so, how do you go about deciding what is modest and what is not?

Praxeas, please define modesty.

I think most Oneness Pentecostals view modesty as abstinence. While this may be true with some issues, I don't believe it applies to all of them. Usually abstinence from movies, television, and a host of other issues is justified with the logic "I would rather be safe than sorry".

That sort of logic is fine as long as it is not mandated as a prerequisite for salvation.

My question is this: Is modesty abstinence, moderation or something else entirely?

Originally Posted by aquestioninggirl

I will not wear anything that shows off my body in a sexual way.

You mean you wear those skirts with the hoops in them so no one can see your hips?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shamgar1

Praxeas, please define modesty.

I think most Oneness Pentecostals view modesty as abstinence. While this may be true with some issues, I don't believe it applies to all of them. Usually abstinence from movies, television, and a host of other issues is justified with the logic "I would rather be safe than sorry".

That sort of logic is fine as long as it is not mandated as a prerequisite for salvation.

My question is this: Is modesty abstinence, moderation or something else entirely?

Well that is really MY question. What is modesty? How can we attack someone elses idea of modesty if we don't have some rule for which we define it?

Modesty, as pertains to this thread, is really about dress, not going to the movies

But here are some dictionary defs
–noun, plural -ties. 1.the quality of being modest; freedom from vanity, boastfulness, etc. 2.regard for decency of behavior, speech, dress, etc. 3.simplicity; moderation.

modesty
1531, "freedom from exaggeration, self-control," from M.Fr. modestie, from L. modestia "moderation," from modestus "moderate, keeping measure, sober," from modus "measure, manner" (see mode (1)). Meaning "having a moderate opinion of oneself" is from 1553. Modest (adj.) is first recorded 1565.

Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper
WordNet - Cite This Source
modesty

noun
1. freedom from vanity or conceit [ant: immodesty]
2. formality and propriety of manner

Modest
mod·est (mŏd'ĭst) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Having or showing a moderate estimation of one's own talents, abilities, and value.
2. Having or proceeding from a disinclination to call attention to oneself; retiring or diffident. See Synonyms at shy1.
3. Observing conventional proprieties in speech, behavior, or dress.
4. Free from showiness or ostentation; unpretentious. See Synonyms at plain.
5. Moderate or limited in size, quantity, or range; not extreme: a modest price; a newspaper with a modest circulation.

Originally Posted by shamgar1

Praxeas, please define modesty.

I think most Oneness Pentecostals view modesty as abstinence. While this may be true with some issues, I don't believe it applies to all of them. Usually abstinence from movies, television, and a host of other issues is justified with the logic "I would rather be safe than sorry".

That sort of logic is fine as long as it is not mandated as a prerequisite for salvation.

My question is this: Is modesty abstinence, moderation or something else entirely?

I would say Modesty is moderation. I will go to the movies but only to see G or maybe a PG depending on what the reviews said. I will wear make up but only a small amount to cover pimples.