Wasn't Jesus supposed to ask whom do men say we are ? Since He was just one person in a Triune Godhead ?HA HA HA
I guess the scripture should read buried with them instead of Him in baptism.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Trinitarians don't believe Jesus was at all conflicted... In fact His sonship is not based on his incarnation... It's based on His relationship eternally with the Father (Galatians 4:4) So the whole Holy Spirit thing creates no conflict, because the Sonship is not based on the incarnation of Christ, but His eternal position. You assume that the Father, or God operates in Modes of existence so when the Holy Spirit over shadowed Mary... in essence he is stating I will impregnate you with ... well me..... So you also create confusion. Gabriel said
(Luke 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Jesus is God, and trinitarians believe this to be true. The Holy Spirit was the action... but this was not regular impregnation... the sonship is based on who Jesus is eternally not incarnationally
I agree that most modern trinitarians believe there is this notion of eternal sonship but I have yet to see any biblical evidence of such. You MUST acknowledge that the SON was begotten (because the Bible says He was) and you MUST acknowledge that begotten necessitates a beginning point (since the Greek word used for begotten most literally means fathered or born). Also, the phrase used in the Orthodox (and, thus, correct) version of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed says Jesus was begotten "before all ages" or "before all worlds," whereas the corrupted (heretical) Roman Catholic/Protestant version says Jesus was "eternally begotten" (which is an oxymoron). If Jesus' status as the Son is an eternal relationship then you have the Bible stating an absolute impossibility: Fatherhood and sonship existing simultaneously in the same divine being for all of eternity (meaning that God has been both the Father and the Son throughout all of eternity). Thus, God is not really a father because He could not have fathered His Son since His Son has existed with Him throughout all of eternity. Thus, Jesus is not really a Son because He could not have been fathered since He existed with His Father throughout all of eternity.
In order for there to be a Father and a Son there MUST have been a point where the act of begetting took place.
I agree that most modern trinitarians believe there is this notion of eternal sonship but I have yet to see any biblical evidence of such. You MUST acknowledge that the SON was begotten (because the Bible says He was) and you MUST acknowledge that begotten necessitates a beginning point (since the Greek word used for begotten most literally means fathered or born). Also, the phrase used in the Orthodox (and, thus, correct) version of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed says Jesus was begotten "before all ages" or "before all worlds," whereas the corrupted (heretical) Roman Catholic/Protestant version says Jesus was "eternally begotten" (which is an oxymoron). If Jesus' status as the Son is an eternal relationship then you have the Bible stating an absolute impossibility: Fatherhood and sonship existing simultaneously in the same divine being for all of eternity (meaning that God has been both the Father and the Son throughout all of eternity). Thus, God is not really a father because He could not have fathered His Son since His Son has existed with Him throughout all of eternity. Thus, Jesus is not really a Son because He could not have been fathered since He existed with His Father throughout all of eternity.
In order for there to be a Father and a Son there MUST have been a point where the act of begetting took place.
I continue to adhere to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed (the Orthodox version):
"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, True God of True God, Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made:
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;
And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;
And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets;
And we believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
And the life of the age to come. Amen."
I also adhere to the Christological confession of the Synod of Mar Aqaq of 486 A.D. (except that I would replace "copies of their natures" with "their natures"):
"But our faith in the dispensation of Christ should also be in a confession of two natures of Godhead and manhood, none of us venturing to introduce mixture, commingling, or confusion into the distinctions of those two natures. Instead, while Godhead remains and is preserved in that which belongs to it, and manhood in that which belongs to it, we combine the copies of their natures in one Lordship and one worship because of the perfect and inseparable conjunction which the Godhead had with the manhood. If anyone thinks or teaches others that suffering and change adhere to the Godhead of our Lord, not preserving - in regard to the union of the parsopa* of our Savior - the confession of perfect God and perfect man, the same shall be anathema."
And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets. Jesus asked: "But whom do you say that I am?"
Peter answered, "Thou art the Logos, existing in the Father as His rationality and then, by an act of His will, being generated, in consideration of the various functions by which God is related to his creation, but only on the fact that Scripture speaks of a Father, and a Son, and a Holy Spirit, each member of the Trinity being coequal with every other member, and each acting inseparably with and interpenetrating every other member, with only an economic subordination within God, but causing no division which would make the substance no longer simple."
And his disciples answered and said, Some say you are John the Baptist returned from the dead; others say Elias, or other of the old prophets. Jesus asked: "But whom do you say that I am?"
Peter answered, "Thou art the Logos, existing in the Father as His rationality and then, by an act of His will, being generated, in consideration of the various functions by which God is related to his creation, but only on the fact that Scripture speaks of a Father, and a Son, and a Holy Spirit, each member of the Trinity being coequal with every other member, and each acting inseparably with and interpenetrating every other member, with only an economic subordination within God, but causing no division which would make the substance no longer simple."
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