1Corinthians: Instructions for the Church

[loran adkins]

9/14/2023


As Esaias pointed out most churches are not churches. We are so far from the actual way the church was in the times of the early church times that it is most ridiculous. Best one can do is to find a group of people that most reflects the way you see the kingdom of God and be part of that group. Because as I see it the most important part of the kingdom of God is to fellowship with others of like faith.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Judges 4:4-5
4......And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, judged Israel at that time.
5......And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Generally, women were not usually leaders in Israel, but in some cases, God did use them in leadership roles that required them to speak in the congregation. God would not cause women to do something that is sinful. Also, I know of several testimonies of pioneers in 20th-century Pentecostalism that women began churches in my local area for lack of men doing it.

Are you sure Debora was a “leader” with “authority”. Wasn’t she a prophetess, speaking God’s revelations?


Exodus 18:26 (NKJV) So they judged the people at all times; the hard cases they brought to Moses, but they judged every small case themselves.

Deuteronomy 1:17 (NKJV) ‘You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small as well as the great; you shall not be afraid in any man’s presence, for the judgment [is] God’s. The case that is too hard for you, bring to me, and I will hear it.’

Deuteronomy 17:8-9 (NKJV) 8 “If a matter arises which is too hard for you to judge, between degrees of guilt for bloodshed, between one judgment or another, or between one punishment or another, matters of controversy within your gates, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the LORD your God chooses. 9 “And you shall come to the priests, the Levites, and to the judge [there] in those days, and inquire [of them;] they shall pronounce upon you the sentence of judgment.

They were looking for a direct word of God in hard cases, because they could not discern the heart or know all the evidences. Debora was not pronouncing judgement of their own, and setting vision statements and plans for Israel. She was bringing the judgements and revelations of God himself as a prophetess. That’s not the equivalent to elders/pastors in the church.

[james34]

Paul says, " the women are commanded to be under obedience as ( also sayeth the law)".
So what he is commanding about the sisters , is present time exhortation and is also in agreement with the law.

Paul was also very clear on why women were to display obedience through silence.
1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

When God created humanity for the sake of fellowship for himself, he created the masculine. When he created fellowship for the man he created feminine. The woman was made for the man, not the man for the woman.
Adam walked into his sin with full discernment, Eve was deceived. God has not equipped women with the same tenacity and discernment as he has men...generally speaking.

The undermining of the creation order is largely what the feminist movement is all about.