Strange: Soft Disclosure on UFOs?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe there are other beings living on other planets.

I do believe in Unidentified flying objects ... meaning we haven't identified what they are. I don't believe UFO's as in alien aircraft from another world.

We can close the thread now, Aquila.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe there are other beings living on other planets.

I do believe in Unidentified flying objects ... meaning we haven't identified what they are. I don't believe UFO's as in alien aircraft from another world.

Another reason you're my hero

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We can close the thread now, Aquila.

Over on a (now closed) preacher's forum.

Brother Tony Suarez started a thread on Aliens and UFOs.
It became pretty huge, I showed how the whole Martian UFO flying saucer hysteria started after WWII. With Northrop Grumman testing Horten brothers flying wing of their own model. They used the plans of the Horten Ho 229. The first UFO sighting by a pilot Kenneth Arnold, looks like a Horten Ho 229.

[Aquila]

The universe is so very vast. Beyond comprehension. There are innumerable stars not unlike our own with planets. Are we to assume that God has created all of this... and that man is the only intelligent life in the universe? On what grounds are we to believe this? Does Scripture specifically state that God has only created intelligent life on earth?

Here's a purely hypothetical question...

If tomorrow these things made undeniable contact and publically addressed the citizens of earth. What would you think? How would it affect you? Would you believe they were a threat? Would you believe that they come in peace? How would you classify them in your worldview?

You might see this as being very outrageous. However, with the vastness of the universe, and the power of the Creator... I see it as inevitable. To me, it would be no different from the Native American Indians encountering the superior technology and sailing skill of the Europeans when our two civilizations made first contact. Only instead contact being made between two civilizations from different continents, this would be contact made between two civilizations from different planets.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The universe is so very vast. Beyond comprehension. There are innumerable stars not unlike our own with planets. Are we to assume that God has created all of this... and that man is the only intelligent life in the universe? On what grounds are we to believe this? Does Scripture specifically state that God has only created intelligent life on earth?

Here's a purely hypothetical question...

If tomorrow these things made undeniable contact and publically addressed the citizens of earth. What would you think? How would it affect you? Would you believe they were a threat? Would you believe that they come in peace? How would you classify them in your worldview?

You might see this as being very outrageous. However, with the vastness of the universe, and the power of the Creator... I see it as inevitable. To me, it would be no different from the Native American Indians encountering the superior technology and sailing skill of the Europeans when our two civilizations made first contact. Only instead contact being made between two civilizations from different continents, this would be contact made between two civilizations from different planets.

it seems to me that this would require another gospel then the one the apostles preached and that would be impossible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

it seems to me that this would require another gospel then the one the apostles preached and that would be impossible.

Too much Star Trek, and enough Bible logic will lead to all sorts of wrong directions.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Too much Star Trek, and enough Bible logic will lead to all sorts of wrong directions.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

it seems to me that this would require another gospel then the one the apostles preached and that would be impossible.

I'm only asking a hypothetical question.

If tomorrow some "alien civilization" made undeniable contact and publically addressed the citizens of earth:

What would you think?
How would it affect you?
Would you believe they were a threat?
Would you believe that they come in peace?
How would you classify them in your worldview?
Would it shake your faith?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

it seems to me that this would require another gospel then the one the apostles preached and that would be impossible.

Where in the Gospel does it rule out the existence of civilizations on continents or even planets unknown to them at the time?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Too much Star Trek, and enough Bible logic will lead to all sorts of wrong directions.

I think you've misunderstood the purpose of this thread. In a CNN interview, Louis Elizondo, former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) stated:

LUIS ELIZONDO: Sure, Ahum - the purpose of the program, ah, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was really designed to do just that - ahum - from a national security perspective - identify those things that we see, whether, ah, we see them electro-optically, we see them with radar, we see the ah, as ah, as eyewitness reports, ahum, through a myriad of different ways and avenues that we receive the information - and try to ascertain and determine if the information is a potential threat to national security - in a nutshell.

Later in the interview he stated:

LUIS ELIZONDO: (beginning at 3:16): ... when, when I ran this program, I was fundamentally looking at - my colleagues looking at two things:

ERIN BURNETT: Yeah?

LUIS ELIZONDO: 'What is it and how does it work?' Ahum, we have deliberately stayed away from going down the rabbit hole of 'Who's behind the wheel and what are their intentions?'

ERIN BURNETT: Yep

LUIS ELIZONDO: Because that - th- a lot of people have a lot of f, feelings toward that, and, and are very emotional about that, and what I wanted to do was - to allow the data to speak for itself and then use that data to inform leadership, senior DOD leadership, about the potential threat that, that, these type of, of technologies pose to national security - 'specially over any type of controlled airspace that we might have - ahum - so I'm not trying to be evasive, ah, in any way, or vague your a-, with your answer but -

Here Elizondo goes deeper with expressing that many within the program apparently have a lot of feelings towards who is behind the wheel and what their intentions might be. He isn't discussing these things as illusions, swamp gas, or ball lightening. His words indicate an apparent heated divide within the program on these things, and his effort to focus on just what they are and how they work.

Elizondo continues by saying:

LUIS ELIZONDO: These aircraft -- we'll call them aircraft -- are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of,

He opens by calling them "aircraft" and THEN he says, "we'll call them aircraft". He's essentially telling us that the program's position is that UFOs are indeed "aircraft". Describing these "aircraft" he describes them as:

LUIS ELIZONDO: Things that don't have any obvious flight services, any obvious forms of propulsion, and maneuvering in ways that include extreme maneuverability beyond, I would submit, the healthy G-forces of a human or anything biological,

At the end of the interview, he was asked point blank what he believes about these things based on his involvement in the program. Then this previous director of the AATIP states:

LUIS ELIZONDO: My personal belief is that there is very compelling evidence that we may not be alone,

What is funny is that everyone is acting like this is just another UFO story.

It's not.

- First, it's a declassified admission that the government truly has a program investigating these things.

- Second, this is the former DIRECTOR of the program.

- Thirdly, the language he chooses to use involves the words "aircraft", "technologies", "unidentified", "air space", "national security".

- Fourthly, having access to intelligence relating to developmental technologies, he states that these things "are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of".

Essentially the director of a declassified government program tasked with identifying the potential threat of UFOs has publically disclosed that these "aircraft" "technologies" do not reflect any "characteristics that are currently within the US inventory or any foreign inventory", yet they are in our air space.

No, he didn't officially declare that the projects position is that they are from another planet, time, or dimension. But what he does state is that the programs conclusion is that whatever these are... they are real.

And y'all just act like it is another UFO story by some tin hat wearing pot-head. Not so. This reeks of what is known as a "soft disclosure".

I'm just asking what you guys think about it. But no one seems to be grasping the actual context of the discussion as determined by the previous director of AATIP. The government just declassified the project and the former director openly admitted that these things are "real" and that they don't reflect any known technology on earth. Which makes the entire context of the discussion different from previous discussions on UFOs. And so, this is why I'm asking:

If tomorrow some "alien civilization" made undeniable contact and publically addressed the citizens of earth:
What would you think?
How would it affect you?
Would you believe they were a threat?
Would you believe that they come in peace?
How would you classify them in your worldview?
Would it shake your faith?

Let it sink in, the former director of AATIP just openly stated that these things are real, that they are aircraft, and that they don't reflect characteristics of any known technology in the inventory of any nation on earth. Let that sink in. Again, that's why I've also asked if this is a "soft-disclosure".