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Old 06-21-2013, 02:21 PM
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Re: Leading ‘Ex-Gay’ Organization Closes

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Old 06-21-2013, 02:36 PM
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I Corinthians 14:29-37 (ESV)
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
So... if one doesn't attend a participatory church wherein anyone can take the floor and prophesy, or if women speak in the meetings... they are in sin and we shouldn't fellowship them. Because these things are a commandment of the Lord.

Now... that knocks out every organized institutional church. We've narrowed it down quite a bit now.
Poor response. Regardless of people hypocrisy it doesn't take away from Pauls instruction to not fellowship with a fornicating brother.
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Sexual immorality destorys holiness.

Sexual relationship outside of heterosexual marriage is immoral.

I guess my point is...for those who struggle we want to "make them straight" or to immediately see them "convert" to heterosexuality. I don't think this is the answer.

Purity is the answer. Relationship with Jesus is the answer. Holiness is the answer.
The immediate answer is celibacy. If that individual is never able to be in a heterosexual relationship, that does not destroy or prevent holiness.

Sexual immorality is what we need to take a stand against.
Amen, even for for married people but that's another issue.
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:30 PM
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Poor response. Regardless of people hypocrisy it doesn't take away from Pauls instruction to not fellowship with a fornicating brother.
That wasn't my point. However, I agree.

So that should lead us to ask, what exactly is "fornication"?
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Sexual immorality destorys holiness.

Sexual relationship outside of heterosexual marriage is immoral.

I guess my point is...for those who struggle we want to "make them straight" or to immediately see them "convert" to heterosexuality. I don't think this is the answer.
You're right. I believe the issue is spiritual (evil spirits and a need for sound biblical teaching), psychological (need for counsel with regards to how to apply biblical teaching), and biological (possibly genetic/hormonal). A total healing is necessary. That makes this sin perhaps one of the most difficult to overcome.

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Purity is the answer. Relationship with Jesus is the answer. Holiness is the answer.
Amen.

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The immediate answer is celibacy. If that individual is never able to be in a heterosexual relationship, that does not destroy or prevent holiness.

Sexual immorality is what we need to take a stand against.
I can agree with this.
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Re: Leading ‘Ex-Gay’ Organization Closes

How does one over come ones Flesh? I'm 54 been married for 30 some yrs to a women who has let herself go and is well over 300lbs we haven't had relations in 15 yrs other then with my hand. I am hook on gay porn and can not seem to stop . I have been Baptized in Jesus Name and go to a UPChurch my wife will not go to church I got the Holy Ghost 20 yr when in the A/G church I have prayed and fasted both to be free from these lust and for a Refilling but nothing but yet God does answer a lot of my prayers . So tell me HOW DOES ONE GET FREE ......WHAT MUST I DO ? But please be honest as I don't know of a guy who hasn't had a problem with lust "either for women or men" or with JO
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Oh my.
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How does one over come ones Flesh? I'm 54 been married for 30 some yrs to a women who has let herself go and is well over 300lbs we haven't had relations in 15 yrs other then with my hand. I am hook on gay porn and can not seem to stop . I have been Baptized in Jesus Name and go to a UPChurch my wife will not go to church I got the Holy Ghost 20 yr when in the A/G church I have prayed and fasted both to be free from these lust and for a Refilling but nothing but yet God does answer a lot of my prayers . So tell me HOW DOES ONE GET FREE ......WHAT MUST I DO ? But please be honest as I don't know of a guy who hasn't had a problem with lust "either for women or men" or with JO
Does your wife know about your gay porn addiction?

Does your wife think that you don't think she's attractive?

Subconsciously, you may have been torturing your wife over the years, which would lead many women to blame themselves, depression, self-loathing, and overeating.

Easier said than done, I know because I too am single, but you have to stop the "m", if it is happening by yourself-- which I imagine it is not happening with her if you are watching gay porn.

Just because you have been baptized in Jesus Name and go to a UPCI church doesn't mean that you shouldn't have issues.

In fact, if anything, once you decided to walk in the Light of the Gospel you have believed in order to honor your God and Savior Jesus Christ, you placed a target on your forehead.

You were attacked and you are at war and it may even seem like this battle is lost. It's not though. You still have the will to live!

You can't stop watching the porn-- not until someone else, other than yourself, becomes more important, more precious, more enjoyable than the high you get from porn.

Maybe you should learn to love Jesus Christ all over again. The love between you and Jesus is something sacred, special, unique to the two of you only and so there isn't a special "formula" of things I can tell you to do in order to show Jesus you love him.

It's something between you and Him. It's something you have, not something you do.

After that, you may want to consider learning how to love your wife again. Now I could probably do a little better in giving you ideas on what to do for this (learn her love language). Even still, your actions would be empty, loving but not truly love, if you simply do not have a love for your wife.

Pray for Jesus to restore your love for Him. He will do that and give you a newer and stronger love for your wife too, when you ask Him.

God is able to open the rose petals of your wife's love again and He will give you the wisdom to decipher what love means to her.

Once she knows your love again, she may start to take better care of herself because she feels better about herself and about you.

A man's love or lack of love can have very strong positive or detrimental effects on her.

The issues you describe may not resemble the issues that any one other person on AFF may have experienced.

But I have experienced failure, repeated failure over the years, in some of the areas you have mentioned. I'm living in greater victory now, more than ever before, but sometimes, I still sin.

That's what your issues boil down to-- sin. Your sins that Jesus Christ has already died for, your sins that Jesus Christ knew that you would commit before He filled you with His Spirit but interestingly enough, He loved and saved you anyway.

I have hope, in Jesus Christ, and you do too. You are not alone.

He loves you and it is not His Will for you to continue to live like this. Neither is it His Will for you to die like this. Abundant life is His Will for you, but your continued sin will lead you to an eternity separated our God and Savior who loves you.

The porn you're watching is fake-- it's not what it appears to be at all! It's a lie, a cruel deception perpetrated by the enemy of your soul and perpetuated by people who don't know, who don't care about you.

Those guys and girls are actors-- some of them doing it just so they can feed their children, or self-medicate. They will all get older, start to sag, not be so youthful and full of vigor. They will look like you, if they live long enough. They are not different from you and you are not different from them. Well, you are capable of love and probably have someone who loves you for the MAN YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, close by. They probably don't. If they do, so what-- you're the one who is suffering, not them.

There are lies wrapped up in porn, lies that attack your own identity, your own self-worth. Don't spend the rest of your life believing lies, embracing lies. Their lies are empty, furthest from the truth, and deadly.

The lies they portray and re-enforce are causing you pain, causing your wife pain, and can possibly lead you to die and go to hell and then to the Lake of Fire.


Weeping and gnashing of teeth, sorrow on top of sorrow unending for an eternity-- that will be your end and eternity if you don't repent.

Deep, incurable loneliness. Bitterness and resentment. Filled with anger and rage-- wanting to blame someone, but eaten up with eternal regret. Weeping and gnashing of teeth, sorrow on top of sorrow unending for an eternity-- that will be your end and eternity if you don't repent.


I want to tell you that you are not alone in your issues.

I want to tell you that you will overcome all of this.

You will overcome, by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of your testimony.

Part of your testimony is coming clean with your issues to your Pastor and a few other mature, Christian brothers that will not judge you, but will walk with you through this.

Don't worry-- there are brothers in Christ, true brothers in Christ, that are able to help you bear these burdens. Go to Our Father and ask Him for this too.
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How does one over come ones Flesh? I'm 54 been married for 30 some yrs to a women who has let herself go and is well over 300lbs we haven't had relations in 15 yrs other then with my hand. I am hook on gay porn and can not seem to stop . I have been Baptized in Jesus Name and go to a UPChurch my wife will not go to church I got the Holy Ghost 20 yr when in the A/G church I have prayed and fasted both to be free from these lust and for a Refilling but nothing but yet God does answer a lot of my prayers . So tell me HOW DOES ONE GET FREE ......WHAT MUST I DO ? But please be honest as I don't know of a guy who hasn't had a problem with lust "either for women or men" or with JO
Assuming you have received the Spirit and really are battling theses things here is my advice. You must hate yourself. Yes hate yourself. Why? Because you love yourself more than you love Christ.

If you hate self you will overcome. It is the LAST THING that is to be overcome by the believer.

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned , and said unto them, 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:25-26

If you hate your life in this world you can keep it unto life eternal. That means hate it in the sense you will not give into its desires.

25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am , there shall also my servant be : if any man serve me, him will my Father honour . John 12:25-26

Love not our life even to the death. That is the highest, and deepest consecration you will make.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev. 12:11

Also it helps if you believe what Christ said about burning in Hell. I mean if most people really believed they would burn in Hell for even a couple of days I truly believe they would cease from sin very quickly.

If all else has failed consider these things.
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