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Hoovie · #31 01-23-2012, 08:24 AM

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I know of many ministers who do not approve of the wedding ring, or any other jewelry including the broach or lapel pin. They are just as plentiful as preachers who preach against splits, low necklines, high hemlines, and non-existant sleeves.

My father was raised with rings being excepted (it is one of those things that some do and some do not). I do know that I have seen pictures of Oneness Pentecostal ladies from the 20s-present that did not cut their hair, wear pants, shunned jewelry, etc. It is a simple fact that most had no problems with the holiness standard, dispite what some authors have wished to claim over the years.

I was raised in Pentecost, and my mother has a picture of my great-great-great grandmother with uncut hair, and wearing a long dress. She died in the 1960s. As far as I know, she never once cut her hair, wore make-up, jewelry, pants, or any of that other stuff people like to endorse today.

Oh, she was not UPCI either. She belonged to the AOG as I recall.

Interesting. So you know of current UPC pastors that require "no rings" for membership? I know there are some independent UCs and WPF...

In the 1920s many would have had uncut hair in all denominations I think.

I think the point I was making is that by the time the UPC came into existence the national leaders often accepted cutting hair for their own girls and wearing jewlery by their wives - and there are photos that show it... not saying that many did not. But it does show a tolerance that is mostly absent today in that same regard.

Jay · #32 01-23-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Interesting. So you know of current UPC pastors that require "no rings" for membership? I know there are some independent UCs and WPF...

In the 1920s many would have had uncut hair in all denominations I think.

I think the point I was making is that by the time the UPC came into existence the national leaders often accepted cutting hair for their own girls and wearing jewlery by their wives - and there are photos that show it... not saying that many did not. But it does show a tolerance that is mostly absent today in that same regard.

It was known that in some circles leaders were able to get away with it, but to say that it was an era of tolerance concerning it would be incorrect. Bro. Westburg, Bro. Terry, Bro. Bean, Bro. Ballestero, the Davis family, Bro. A.D. Urshan, Bro. Price, Bro. Clyde Haney, to name just a very few of the better known names held to a high standard. The fact is that many of these men left the organization (I can name many more of their spiritual heirs that have also left in more recent days). This contributed to the loosening of the standards.

The fact that there were churches such as Laurel, where worldiness was permitted actually proves nothing. Laurel was founded with strong holiness standards, but over the course of time pastors who were loose took it away from its roots. One of these men was elected as the District Secretary or Treasurer. It was tolerated in Mississippi simply because no one could do anything about it until the pastor left.

I could name other examples, however it is not necessary. That vaunted 'age of tolerance' did not tolerate worldly apparel on men or women.

Steve Epley · #33 01-23-2012, 10:37 AM

" And some shall depart from the faith" some watch prophecy being fulfilled and others fulfil prophecy.

AreYouReady? · #34 01-23-2012, 11:27 AM

My suggestion would be to have no confidence in man, but only in Christ.

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
(Psalms 118:8)

AreYouReady? · #35 01-23-2012, 11:30 AM

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" And some shall depart from the faith" some watch prophecy being fulfilled and others fulfil prophecy.

Brother Epley, what is your interpretation of "departing from the faith"?

KeptByTheWord · #36 01-23-2012, 12:08 PM

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Brother Epley, what is your interpretation of "departing from the faith"?

I think you probably already know the answer from most of his other posts...

But twill always be interesting to hear his comment once again

KeptByTheWord · #37 01-23-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

My suggestion would be to have no confidence in man, but only in Christ.

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
(Psalms 118:8)

Yes!! That is the basis to all questions of what goes on in the ministry - no confidence in man, at all, but only in Christ.

RandyWayne · #38 01-23-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Brother Epley, what is your interpretation of "departing from the faith"?

You have to ask?

AreYouReady? · #39 01-23-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I think you probably already know the answer from most of his other posts...

But twill always be interesting to hear his comment once again

It will be nice to read it again because I have another question for Brother Epley. You know, I like Brother Epley. He is an interesting fellow. I like to try to understand what makes people like him tick.

RandyWayne · #40 01-23-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

It will be nice to read it again because I have another question for Brother Epley. You know, I like Brother Epley. He is an interesting fellow. I like to try to understand what makes people like him tick.

Sort of like Jody Foster trying to understand Anthony Hopkins character in Silence of the Lambs.