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Old 11-30-2012, 04:49 PM
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Re: Pagan worship in Christianity.

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Renee, are you including the UPCI in your summation of denominations?
Yes. Show me a UPCI Church that doesn't do Christmas, Easter and some of the rest.

Also many insist on exspensive churches.
The Catholic heirarchy of Clergy and laymen
And many things that George Barnea and Frank Viola bring out in their book.

Our churches reminds me of when God told Israel to be ruled by Judges, they insisted for a King----to be like the other nations.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:49 PM
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Would you all say that Christmas, Easter, holidays, gift giving and birthday celebrations are more of a big deal to females than they are to most males?

In my experience, most men really couldn't care less one way or the other about a lot of these things. Females tend to be the ones who get highly offended when these special days aren't acknowledged.
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Yes. Show me a UPCI Church that doesn't do Christmas, Easter and some of the rest.

Also many insist on exspensive churches.
The Catholic heirarchy of Clergy and laymen
And many things that George Barnea and Frank Viola bring out in their book.

Our churches reminds me of when God told Israel to be ruled by Judges, they insisted for a King----to be like the other nations.
Do you consider Christmas to be true idolatry ?
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Re: Pagan worship in Christianity.

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Do you consider Christmas to be true idolatry ?
I wasn't asked this question, but I will give my opinion.

I do not consider Christmas, New Years, St. Patrick's Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, etc to be "true idolatry." They are American holidays that we observe with certain customs and traditions.
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Would you all say that Christmas, Easter, holidays, gift giving and birthday celebrations are more of a big deal to females than they are to most males?

In my experience, most men really couldn't care less one way or the other about a lot of these things. Females tend to be the ones who get highly offended when these special days aren't acknowledged.
Post of the week!! Aint that the truth!!
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I should take regularly scheduled vacations from reading htis forum from October -January and then Easter as well just so I can avoid the same stinkin debate every year.

Some of you folsk should take a pill, go watch "Rise of the Guardians" and get over this "It's pagan it's pagan" nonsense. Grown adults losing it over the "paganism" of a holiday yet you'll pile into your pagan inspired church buildings, look up to your pagan inspired single pastor ruler who stands in the pagan inspired pulpit on a pagan inspired platform, hand over your pagan inscribed money, listen to your pagan inspired choir and/or worship leader and yet all that is just as Godly as can be right?
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I should take regularly scheduled vacations from reading htis forum from October -January and then Easter as well just so I can avoid the same stinkin debate every year.

Some of you folsk should take a pill, go watch "Rise of the Guardians" and get over this "It's pagan it's pagan" nonsense. Grown adults losing it over the "paganism" of a holiday yet you'll pile into your pagan inspired church buildings, look up to your pagan inspired single pastor ruler who stands in the pagan inspired pulpit on a pagan inspired platform, hand over your pagan inscribed money, listen to your pagan inspired choir and/or worship leader and yet all that is just as Godly as can be right?
WOW, that was intense!
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Re: Pagan worship in Christianity.

When you read the letters written by Paul to the churches, it is obvious that there were divisions in the church even then about pagan Gentile practices versus Jewish or kosher laws, traditions, and holidays.

There were differences of opinions even in the early days of the church with how to deal with holidays, and customs, and traditions within the church. Paul spent a lot of time teaching on honoring your brothers convictions, and not enforcing your own convictions on others.

My personal opinion is that each one of us should be fully persuaded in our own minds and hearts from the Lord, as to how he would have us to live. Being aware that almost all of our church and holiday traditions come from pagans and idolators is a very good thing, so that we don't get so caught up in those traditions and blinded by them.

Read what Paul wrote about meat that was offered to idols in I Cor. 8:1-8 - instead of quoting the whole passage I will quote part of vs. 4, "we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and there is none other God but one." and in vs. 8 "meat commendeth us not to God, for neither if we eat (meat offered to idols) are we the better; neither if we eat not, are we the worse."

So to put this into perspective with the culture we have today.... eating meat offered to pagan idols really meant nothing to Paul, because he knew there was only one God, and so it didn't affect him, and he would eat the meat offered to idols, if it were served in a meal.

Likewise, if we celebrate Christmas as a traditional holiday, and a family custom, so be it, knowing that it is a custom that comes from the pagans, but that the Christmas tree or the presents or the meal really have no part of celebrating what took place when Christ was born... or if we abstain completely from Christmas all together to honor Christ every day of the year... so be it... as long as we are fully persuaded in our own minds.
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