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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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Sharia law is a religious law. It would be the same as if they said they could consider the Ten Commandments when making decisions.
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That is not a law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
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11-05-2010, 12:05 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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But they are specifically stating it against Sharia Law, a religious law. The 1st amendment does not allow them to do that. |
Fortunately the oath of holding offices is to defend our laws. It is illegal to shove sharia a religious law down our throats.
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11-05-2010, 12:06 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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Sharia law is a religious law. It would be the same as if they said they could consider the Ten Commandments when making decisions.
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Twisp! It would NOT be the same; it would be the same if they passed a law stating that courts could NOT consider the Ten Commandments when making decisions. It's just a reassurance to voters, basically, that courts are going to be fair and NOT allow religion - or international law (even or maybe especially when that law is based on religion) to influence decisions.
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11-05-2010, 12:06 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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No it would be the same as if they said they COULDN'T use the 10 commandments.
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That is what I meant. Darn that apostrophe and t button for hiding.
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11-05-2010, 12:10 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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Twisp! It would NOT be the same; it would be the same if they passed a law stating that courts could NOT consider the Ten Commandments when making decisions. It's just a reassurance to voters, basically, that courts are going to be fair and NOT allow religion - or international law (even or maybe especially when that law is based on religion) to influence decisions.
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That is what I meant. Just couldn't stretch far enough for that apostrophe and T button.
It would be the same thing, and Christians would be up in arms about it if that were ever tried.
Reassurance or not, you must see how it violates the 1st amendment.
Why is it okay to skirt constitutional law when it comes to Islam?
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11-05-2010, 12:10 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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But they are specifically stating it against Sharia Law, a religious law. The 1st amendment does not allow them to do that. |
Sharia law is a set of laws rooted in a religion; therefore it is even more inappropriate for courts to use than say, French laws.
The first amendment does not prevent congress from specifying that they will not use religion to determine cases. If you were correct and Sharia was a "religion", then the law has even MORE clout, because it is most certainly unconstitutional to use any religion's precepts to determine a court case.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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11-05-2010, 12:11 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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That is what I meant. Just couldn't stretch far enough for that apostrophe and T button.
It would be the same thing, and Christians would be up in arms about it if that were ever tried.
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So courts can presently use the Ten Commandments to decide cases? When was that decision handed down?
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Reassurance or not, you must see how it violates the 1st amendment.
Why is it okay to skirt constitutional law when it comes to Islam?
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Absolutely not. I don't see how it violates the first amendment whatsoever; rather, I see how it reinforces it.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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11-05-2010, 12:11 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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Originally Posted by Twisp
That is what I meant. Just couldn't stretch far enough for that apostrophe and T button.
It would be the same thing, and Christians would be up in arms about it if that were ever tried.
Reassurance or not, you must see how it violates the 1st amendment.
Why is it okay to skirt constitutional law when it comes to Islam?
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People might throw a fit but I would expect the courts to uphold such a law because it neither prefers nor prohibits religious practice.
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11-05-2010, 12:13 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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So courts can presently use the Ten Commandments to decide cases? When was that decision handed down?
Absolutely not. I don't see how it violates the first amendment whatsoever; rather, I see how it reinforces it.
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Thou shalt not kill or steal are in state and federal laws. They are enfocred because the legislatures and lawmaking groups wrote them into lay.
Twisp is very desparate.
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11-05-2010, 12:14 PM
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Re: OKlahoma voters reject foreign laws
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So courts can presently use the Ten Commandments to decide cases? When was that decision handed down?
Absolutely not. I don't see how it violates the first amendment whatsoever; rather, I see how it reinforces it.
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Soooo, when the 1st amendment says,"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"...
and you then have a law that is clearly against an establishment of religion...
you are telling me that is not in violation? LOL
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