Salvation Message

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I would prefer to see a more evangelistic approach centered on the Person and work of Jesus Christ. Instead of telling your "visitor" what he or she MUST do... tell them what has already been done on their behalf.

This is message that I see as being overlooked by most of our "UPCI" type preaching. Jesus saves. Tell people that.

A thousand Amens to this post!

[houstonupci]

Originally Posted by Berkley

HOUSTONUPCI:
It was Peter who was asked "what must we do?" It was asked AFTER Peter preached the gospel.

Horrible brain fart on my part. Had JUST had a conversation about Paul.

[houstonupci]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Why are the 3-steps part of salvation? Isn't salvation found in Grace and Mercy through Jesus and the cross?

Because Jesus died for our sins, we are all saved? Surely not.

We must believe, yes. Believing in Jesus and believing that he is our Savior means we must believe His Word and everything is says.

When Peter was asked "what must we do," he replied "Repent, be baptized...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

I believe that he is saying they are MUSTS.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I would prefer to see a more evangelistic approach centered on the Person and work of Jesus Christ. Instead of telling your "visitor" what he or she MUST do... tell them what has already been done on their behalf.

This is message that I see as being overlooked by most of our "UPCI" type preaching. Jesus saves. Tell people that.

Now your preaching!! Nothing like it to bring folks to Christ, keep it simple, let the gospel do the work.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by houstonupci

Because Jesus died for our sins, we are all saved? Surely not.

We must believe, yes. Believing in Jesus and believing that he is our Savior means we must believe His Word and everything is says.

When Peter was asked "what must we do," he replied "Repent, be baptized...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

I believe that he is saying they are MUSTS.

He was asked after he preached the Gospel. Also Acts 2:19, Peter speaking says, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." KJV The NLT says, "But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." This verse is pointing back to when Joel said in Joel 2:28-32 28

"Then, after doing all those things,
I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your old men will dream dreams,
and your young men will see visions.
29 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on servants—men and women alike.
30 And I will cause wonders in the heavens and on the earth—
blood and fire and columns of smoke.
31 The sun will become dark,
and the moon will turn blood red
before that great and terrible[b] day of the Lord arrives.
32 But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord
will be saved,
for some on Mount Zion in Jerusalem will escape,
just as the Lord has said.
These will be among the survivors
whom the Lord has called.

Having said all that the people asked, after they called on Jesus, basically 'now what'. He said, 'Turn from your wicked lives and turn to Jesus, wash your shelf (be baptized) and be filled with His spirit.'

[Sam]

It is my opinion that each service should give people the opportunity to surrender to Jesus and when that opportunity is given there should be some brief explanation of how to be saved or how to get right with God.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by houstonupci

Because Jesus died for our sins, we are all saved? Surely not.

We must believe, yes. Believing in Jesus and believing that he is our Savior means we must believe His Word and everything is says.

When Peter was asked "what must we do," he replied "Repent, be baptized...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

I believe that he is saying they are MUSTS.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

He was asked after he preached the Gospel. Also Acts 2:19, Peter speaking says, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." KJV The NLT says, "But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." This verse is pointing back to when Joel said in Joel 2:28-32 28

"Then, after doing all those things,
I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your old men will dream dreams,
and your young men will see visions.
29 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on servants—men and women alike.
30 And I will cause wonders in the heavens and on the earth—
blood and fire and columns of smoke.
31 The sun will become dark,
and the moon will turn blood red
before that great and terrible[b] day of the Lord arrives.
32 But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord
will be saved,
for some on Mount Zion in Jerusalem will escape,
just as the Lord has said.
These will be among the survivors
whom the Lord has called.

Having said all that the people asked, after they called on Jesus, basically 'now what'. He said, 'Turn from your wicked lives and turn to Jesus, wash your shelf (be baptized) and be filled with His spirit.'

Also wanted to add other evidence to my above post. Eph. 1 verse 6 says, "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved" 7. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Skipping to verse 10 "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:" 11. "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:" 12. "That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ" and finally verse 13. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"

This is solid proof that when you accept Jesus (salvation) that the spirit of God seals you and is in you.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Also wanted to add other evidence to my above post. Eph. 1 verse 6 says, "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved" 7. "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Skipping to verse 10 "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:" 11. "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:" 12. "That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ" and finally verse 13. "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"

This is solid proof that when you accept Jesus (salvation) that the spirit of God seals you and is in you.

I'm on your side but I disagree about that verse being the final and best proof for the spirit of God sealing you at belief. I think gramatically it could just as easily refer to someone receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost after belief.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'm on your side but I disagree about that verse being the final and best proof for the spirit of God sealing you at belief. I think gramatically it could just as easily refer to someone receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost after belief.

I don't agree. Here is why..."In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise". After ye heard the word of truth which we know is the Gospel of Jesus then the verse said "in whom after that ye believed" this all means that after hearing the Message or Jesus and believing in Him you were (past tense talking about when your faith in Him and His Message) sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. This is confirmed by Act 2:39. Ep 1:13 to me clearly shows that the HG, which is not tongues, is received at faith in Him and His Message.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I don't agree. Here is why..."In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise". After ye heard the word of truth which we know is the Gospel of Jesus then the verse said "in whom after that ye believed" this all means that after hearing the Message or Jesus and believing in Him you were (past tense talking about when your faith in Him and His Message) sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. This is confirmed by Act 2:39. Ep 1:13 to me clearly shows that the HG, which is not tongues, is received at faith in Him and His Message.

There's not one three stepper who has a problem saying that after someone hears preaching and believes that they are then sealed with the Holy Ghost.

So to those who are already saved three steppers could tell them, "After you heard the message of Jesus and believed in Him you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise." They can say this because to them receiving the Holy Ghost comes after belief. You on the other hand are saying this verse means they had the Holy Ghost after belief but received it at belief. There is a problem with your view. The verse talks about being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Being sealed with it surely is a reference to receiving the Holy Ghost. But people in your view don't receive the Holy Ghost after belief.

In fact, upon further reflection, the verse would have said "when you believed you were sealed with the Holy Ghost" if it meant you received the Holy Ghost at belief.