Speaking of which...TRANSGENDERED?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The media, i.e., Newspapers, T.V., colleges, and internet are powerful ways to spread the propaganda to the world as a whole. If society wasn't focused on it - it wouldn't be in the media. What are we doing to stop it? Or should we?

Just curious, Rhoni

That is totally false. How can society be focused on an issue it knows nothing about yet? It's the media that pushes this stuff INTO the forefront.

How many people would know about gay marriages if not for the media? Society is clueless until the Media tells them and makes it seem common or normal.

Media does not represent society, they represent their own interests and agendas...why do you think there is such a difference between Fox and CNN? If what is in the Media is just what society is focused on then why aren't all Media outlets exactly the same?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Chosenbyone,

This is a beautiful testimony. I will have to say that I agree with the Pastor's handling of the situation. It is my opinion that he was protecting her. Just like many on this forum, many in that particular church would have looked at her and treated her differently. Should they? No, not all all, but in our humanness we judge some particular sins worse than others and the issue of homosexuality is one of them.

God will open doors for her to share her testimony with just the person that needs it. When the time is right her sharing, regardless of anyone's acceptance of it or not, she will be strong enough to take the criticism that comes her way.

How do I know this? I was once caught in a sin that had me bound, was forgiven, and delivered, but many [16 years after the fact] still label and critisize me...even many on this forum who know very little about me. 8 years ago I would have fallen under the load of the criticism, but today I can take it with a grain of salt. I know who I am in Christ and what He has done and am no longer under condemnation.

Sincerely, Sis. Rhoni

Rhoni -

You've heard me mention many times about how everyone needs an example of grace in their lives. To see that there is hope for whatever they are struggling with by witnessing and hearing the testimony of one that was set free by Christ.

Have you read, "Gay Conversation" Hope for the Homosexual by Lynda Allison Doty? Sister Doty is an Apostolic Christian counselor who writes from her experiences with her son's struggle and conversations with a brother named Nello Pozzobon who was set free from that bondage.

Nello is a living testimony, an example of grace, out of homosexuality through the delivering power of the blood of Christ. On page 62 of this book, he and Sis Doty are having a conversation about keeping testimonies a secret rather sharing them.

Nello speaking, "Rather than keep it a secret, and hiding what the Lord is doing in these people's lives, these testimonies need to be shared. The more people standing up to testify to what the Lord has done, the more those who are struggling will start reaching out and receiving the help and the support that they desperately need from their pastors and from the church.
I heard something a long time ago from a minister who came out of homosexuality and is now working with the black churches in reaching out to gays. He used Lazarus as an example of a sinner coming to the Lord... and specifically, a homosexual coming to the Lord. He talked about Lazarus being "dead"....all wrapped up in the tomb gauze, buried, in the grave....And then the Lord shows up, and brings Lazarus back to life! But then what happened....as Lazarus made his way out of the tomb, was he "free?" No, he was still all bound up with the wrappings and cloth and all of that stuff....So here he comes, stumbling all around, bumping into everything, having one hard time....and what did the Lord have to say to His disciples....He said: "Loose him, and let him go!" What is suggested here is that ONLY the Lord can bring us who were dead in sin, back to life:....but then, it's the work of the church to touch them, to help them get loose of all that had them bound. This was so powerful to me."

Awesome! I may have an extra copy of this book if you haven't read it. I'll need time to locate it, but let me know if you would like to read it.

It gives a whole different perspective on outreach and deliverance to the gay and lesbian community.

Blessings to you, my friend.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Rhoni -

You've heard me mention many times about how everyone needs an example of grace in their lives. To see that there is hope for whatever they are struggling with by witnessing and hearing the testimony of one that was set free by Christ.

Have you read, "Gay Conversation" Hope for the Homosexual by Lynda Allison Doty? Sister Doty is an Apostolic Christian counselor who writes from her experiences with her son's struggle and conversations with a brother named Nello Pozzobon who was set free from that bondage.

Nello is a living testimony, an example of grace, out of homosexuality through the delivering power of the blood of Christ. On page 62 of this book, he and Sis Doty are having a conversation about keeping testimonies a secret rather sharing them.

Nello speaking, "Rather than keep it a secret, and hiding what the Lord is doing in these people's lives, these testimonies need to be shared. The more people standing up to testify to what the Lord has done, the more those who are struggling will start reaching out and receiving the help and the support that they desperately need from their pastors and from the church.
I heard something a long time ago from a minister who came out of homosexuality and is now working with the black churches in reaching out to gays. He used Lazarus as an example of a sinner coming to the Lord... and specifically, a homosexual coming to the Lord. He talked about Lazarus being "dead"....all wrapped up in the tomb gauze, buried, in the grave....And then the Lord shows up, and brings Lazarus back to life! But then what happened....as Lazarus made his way out of the tomb, was he "free?" No, he was still all bound up with the wrappings and cloth and all of that stuff....So here he comes, stumbling all around, bumping into everything, having one hard time....and what did the Lord have to say to His disciples....He said: "Loose him, and let him go!" What is suggested here is that ONLY the Lord can bring us who were dead in sin, back to life:....but then, it's the work of the church to touch them, to help them get loose of all that had them bound. This was so powerful to me."

Awesome! I may have an extra copy of this book if you haven't read it. I'll need time to locate it, but let me know if you would like to read it.

It gives a whole different perspective on outreach and deliverance to the gay and lesbian community.

Blessings to you, my friend.

Bro. Chosenbyone,

If I am not mistaken, I have heard of this family but have not read the book. I would love to though so if you'll send it to me, I'd love to read it. Thank-you. Have you read the book, "The Forgotten Harvest"? This is a good book discussing the things we have discussed in many threads on this forum.

I am always open to more information on reaching the lost...no matter what their issues.

Blessings & Prayers, Sis. Rhoni

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is totally false. How can society be focused on an issue it knows nothing about yet? It's the media that pushes this stuff INTO the forefront.

How many people would know about gay marriages if not for the media? Society is clueless until the Media tells them and makes it seem common or normal.

Media does not represent society, they represent their own interests and agendas...why do you think there is such a difference between Fox and CNN? If what is in the Media is just what society is focused on then why aren't all Media outlets exactly the same?

dear Prax,

Just because you, in your small circle of friends and community haven't heard of it doesn't mean others haven't. We've seen the transgendered around since the early 80's when it began to be more common place to see one in a public restaurant as one ate after service.

Me thinks that you can't broad brush the subject and say my statement was false...a bit presumptuous on your part. But many of us have been at different times on this forum...including me.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

dear Prax,

Just because you, in your small circle of friends and community haven't heard of it doesn't mean others haven't. We've seen the transgendered around since the early 80's when it began to be more common place to see one in a public restaurant as one ate after service.

Me thinks that you can't broad brush the subject and say my statement was false...a bit presumptuous on your part. But many of us have been at different times on this forum...including me.

Blessings, Rhoni

Dear Rhon, I never said others haven't heard of it....please re-read what I said so we can continue this great intellectual discussion.

Me thinks it was YOU that tried to paint with a broad brush in my stead. That's called a strawman argument.

I argued that it was NOT "an issue" of our society. I never denied parts of our society knew about it, but it just was not something people sat around the idiot box discussing or while getting stoned on humbolt skunk weed they said "Hey, you heard the latest news? Transgender is a hot trend, let's discuss it"......

Sorry, and I am quite sure Rhon, you have absolutely no knowledge of me personally to say anything about the size of my circle of friends or enemies...and I can tell you my enemies have not made it obvious that transgender was a hot topic to be discussed in any circle of friends until only recently when certain news items came out. Otherwise most of them were shocked to even discover that someone they knew was gay, transgender or just Lola EL OH EL AY Lola in drag

Rhon, before you point your long bony finger at me and say "presumptuous" consider that you were very presumptuous and egregeously so, to suggest that I claimed NOBODY in our society knew about it...good grief

I say your statement is false that the Media only reports what is at the forefront of our society or what our society is already as a whole engrossed in and not rather the Media trying to make everyone aware of something the society as a whole is not already aware of or at least does NOT care enough about it to discuss it. The Media seeks to make it common to us. The Media is the one that wants to make US the consumer think the rest of society thinks differently from the way we think.

The Media will have you believe most Americans accept homosexuality as normal behavior. It does not reflect what most Americans accept, believe or are even discussing in their small small backward circle of friends Rhoni.

Now, if you say I am wrong then prove it. Prove that the Media only reports what society as a whole is already talking about and not the other way around...I have to ask...WHY report on it then? In fact that is the second time I asked

[Rhoni]

All of these things are a sign of the times:

II Thessalonians 2:9-11 [NIV]

The coming of the lawless one [anti-christ] will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Dear Rhon, I never said others haven't heard of it....please re-read what I said so we can continue this great intellectual discussion.

Me thinks it was YOU that tried to paint with a broad brush in my stead. That's called a strawman argument.

I argued that it was NOT "an issue" of our society. I never denied parts of our society knew about it, but it just was not something people sat around the idiot box discussing or while getting stoned on humbolt skunk weed they said "Hey, you heard the latest news? Transgender is a hot trend, let's discuss it"......

Sorry, and I am quite sure Rhon, you have absolutely no knowledge of me personally to say anything about the size of my circle of friends or enemies...and I can tell you my enemies have not made it obvious that transgender was a hot topic to be discussed in any circle of friends until only recently when certain news items came out. Otherwise most of them were shocked to even discover that someone they knew was gay, transgender or just Lola EL OH EL AY Lola in drag

Rhon, before you point your long bony finger at me and say "presumptuous" consider that you were very presumptuous and egregeously so, to suggest that I claimed NOBODY in our society knew about it...good grief

I say your statement is false that the Media only reports what is at the forefront of our society or what our society is already as a whole engrossed in and not rather the Media trying to make everyone aware of something the society as a whole is not already aware of or at least does NOT care enough about it to discuss it. The Media seeks to make it common to us. The Media is the one that wants to make US the consumer think the rest of society thinks differently from the way we think.

The Media will have you believe most Americans accept homosexuality as normal behavior. It does not reflect what most Americans accept, believe or are even discussing in their small small backward circle of friends Rhoni.

Now, if you say I am wrong then prove it. Prove that the Media only reports what society as a whole is already talking about and not the other way around...I have to ask...WHY report on it then? In fact that is the second time I asked

Dear Prax,

I never even mentioned your enemies, you and I were both a bit reactive...let's get back to the issue.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. My fingers are short and chubby not long and bony

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

All of these things are a sign of the times:

II Thessalonians 2:9-11 [NIV]

The coming of the lawless one [anti-christ] will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Though about this through the night...

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is totally false. How can society be focused on an issue it knows nothing about yet? It's the media that pushes this stuff INTO the forefront.

How many people would know about gay marriages if not for the media? Society is clueless until the Media tells them and makes it seem common or normal.

Media does not represent society, they represent their own interests and agendas...why do you think there is such a difference between Fox and CNN? If what is in the Media is just what society is focused on then why aren't all Media outlets exactly the same?

People in the Western world (Europe and the Americas) are essentially sheep: issues become important to them when the media tells them the issues are important.

Originally Posted by Chan

People in the Western world (Europe and the Americas) are essentially sheep: issues become important to them when the media tells them the issues are important.

We are about to see a train wreak.....The agenda of the missing be-attitude of tolerance is about to meet the agenda of alternate lifestyles.....When they force both issues into the church.....then boom....I'm glad I Pastor in the sticks.

The Gospel is for whosoever will, but Jesus was plain concerning qualifications.

Who will must first deny self..

Who will must first follow...

Who will must first die to the old man...

To allow and tolerate the make-believe world of trans-gender playfulness is to allow a "killer" spirit to infect the body with desception to the extreme.

We will no longer be shepherds, just hirelings and herders of goats.