You really believe this? Whoever that panel is, their net decisions mean that the overall population lives longer. Meds? What we call "prescription meds" are readily available over the counter in Britain. As they are in Canada and Australia. They are even available here in Saudi Arabia. Malaysia. Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy.
Maybe easier access to meds is why Brits and Canadians and Australians and yes even the pot-smoking Dutch live longer. If people have shorter lives then the healthcare system is not working. So what say you, any of you, to this?
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Then I am off mine too. Brittan has a panel that decides who gets meds and who is too sick.
so do a lot of countries where this kind of healthcare has been in place for any length of time.
A doctor takes issue with the Washington Post
By Michelle Malkin •
Michelle,
I am a pediatrician in Southern Indiana in Rep. Baron Hill’s district. I was actually contacted by the WaPo to give my thoughts on this situation. I was asked by a friend to do this and needless to say, I was quite nervous about what the liberal journalist from the WaPo would take away from our conversation. I spent an hour talking to him with my husband alongside of me and sounded calm and well-educated on the matter. I tried to discuss my concerns not because I am a conservative, but because I am a physician. I couldn’t believe that these are the quotes which ended up in the paper. The first wasn’t even close to what I said. I never referred to Rep. Hill by his first name and the “effigy” comment was not even close to what I was talking about. I mentioned how I “wouldn’t hang him in effigy” (since that is the left’s favorite thing to do, ie, Sarah Palin, Bush), meaning that I have concerns, but am willing to voice them in a productive way. He also asked me about how I’ve been trying to get people involved and I mentioned that I have posted things on FB to encourage my friends to contact his office. He came into my home with his agenda, a very liberal agenda, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I thought that he would present both sides equally and fairly, and instead twisted my words and did not even put the important things in that I had emphasized. I always believed that the left had their agenda and always knew that they would warp our views to better fit how they want the world to see us. Now, my beliefs have been validated. I’m sick over this. Here is the link to the article.
Keep fighting the good fight!
Christy Lane Here a doctor has a low pressure interview. She is misquoted deliberately by the washington Post. Liberals will put words in your mouth. They will twist what you say into a lie. It is harder to do that if the comments are recorded on youtube
"He needs to answer the people. He voted yes. Why? Tell us why, Baron. I'm not going to hang you in effigy," said Salem pediatrician Christy Lane.
You really believe this? Whoever that panel is, their net decisions mean that the overall population lives longer. Meds? What we call "prescription meds" are readily available over the counter in Britain. As they are in Canada and Australia. They are even available here in Saudi Arabia. Malaysia. Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy.
Maybe easier access to meds is why Brits and Canadians and Australians and yes even the pot-smoking Dutch live longer. If people have shorter lives then the healthcare system is not working. So what say you, any of you, to this?
The thread is about "death panel" It is not about where you get your drugs.
And if you're thinking about dying in the hospital, read this from Canada:
Canadian Researcher Wants Dying Sent Home to Free Up Hospitals
May 21st, 2009 | Author: John
From UPI, May 20, 2009:
As a way to help free up hospital beds, a Canadian researcher suggests people should be encouraged to die at home rather than in a hospital.
University of Alberta researcher Donna Wilson says that there’s been a dramatic change in the location of death of Canadians. Up until 1994, about 80 percent died in a hospital, but that number has dropped to 61 percent.
Wilson says she would like to see the number drop further to 40 percent as baby boomers age because this could reduce wait lists and free up hospital beds for those who need life-saving treatment or surgery.
It’s also a much more dignified death for a family member, Wilson says.
Wilson calculated that in the next 20 years the number of people dying could double and if death rates in hospital stay at 80 percent it means a potential tie-up of every single bed in Canada for three days of the year — because each person takes up a bed for an average of 10 days.
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And if there is no home----there is always the "CHUTE" !!
Ask the politician this question:
7. If you support a “comparative effectiveness” board, what qualifies you, as a politician, to practice medicine? Have you delivered health care to a single person, much less entire classes of people you claim to represent, such as the poor, the uninsured, or children?
I’m one of two physicians in the Senate, along with John Barrasso of Wyoming. I know for a fact that very few leaders in this debate have any firsthand experience or knowledge of health care, which is disturbing.
"Comparative effectiveness" Is another fluffy expression for "death panel". They deciide no more chemo or no surgery. Hey if you have Recurrent depression, you may not be an acceptible risk.
Here are a few questions to ask about specific HR 3200 areas….
Page 30: A Government committee will decide what treatments & benefits you get. This would be the “Death Panel” and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans such as SEIU, UAW and ACORN.
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care Plan
Page 149: Any Employer with a payroll of $400k or more, who does not offer a public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what medical specialty, will all receive the same compensation!!!! You can thank the AMA.
Page 272: Cancer patient treatment will be on a case by case depending on cost of treatment.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals
Page 425: Advance Care Planning: Counseling for Senior Citizens, assisted suicide and euthanasia.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services will be made available: organizations such as ACORN.
Page 472: Payments will be provided to Community-based organizations (ACORN).
Coadi I have already pointed out the lies in your post in another thread, why do you continue telling these lies?
You really believe this? Whoever that panel is, their net decisions mean that the overall population lives longer. Meds? What we call "prescription meds" are readily available over the counter in Britain. As they are in Canada and Australia. They are even available here in Saudi Arabia. Malaysia. Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy.
Maybe easier access to meds is why Brits and Canadians and Australians and yes even the pot-smoking Dutch live longer. If people have shorter lives then the healthcare system is not working. So what say you, any of you, to this?
I am so glad you brought up life expectancy! THANK YOU!
I dont have time right now but stick around because I will be knocking that little boondoggle out of the park in a couple of hours.
hint, life expectancy is NO indication of medical care.
geez.
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You think? Australians? Brits? Dutch? 26 countries with longer lives because of Cleveland? hahahahahaha.....the numbers don't add at all.
I am really thinking now. Wouldn't people even in Ohio live longer if the healthcare was so good? Yet Ohio is ranked 36th in life expectancy. Out of the 50 states + DC. Age 76.2. Who do they compare to?
(really laughing) They are FAR BELOW any country with any kind of public healthcare system at all. I won't embarress you. BUT, the good news is they are almost as good as Chile at 76.96 or Equador at 76.62. Ditto Argentina at 76.32. You know, places where you can't drink the water. In fact, they are just above Saudi Arabia at 75.88. Below Kuwait though. I guess those Saudis waste all that travel to add (4) months to their life. LOL......
When people in Cleveland live longer please come back and sell "Cleveland healthcare". What the "best system in the world" data is looking like is a lot of noise with no performance. Otherwise, pass out some dope, convert it to a public system, and at least match the Netherlands at a whopping, backside kicking 79.11
Are drugs still the problem Coadie or is it the stinking mess of a system you are defending?
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Exactly and they load up their folks and trip to the Cleveland clinic. What does that tell ya? Bring all their wives and body guards and hit Cleveland.
There is no doubt in my mind that obesity which you leave out is not offset by fancier cath Labs. Childhood diabetes is booming here as is suicide. So what. Having "reformed" health insurance won't stop consumption of tons of junk foods. My daughter tried out for the Olympics in the heptathlon. Many of her classmates are chunky. We all go to the same hospitals. Our three children have had 10 friends die in the last few years. Not a single death could be prevented by an improved health insurance system.
(laughing) That's been tried with me (the park thing). You just bring it pardner. I would think a superior level of medical care would at least imply that you wouldnt die sooner! Maybe we have different priorities....
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I am so glad you brought up life expectancy! THANK YOU!
I dont have time right now but stick around because I will be knocking that little boondoggle out of the park in a couple of hours.
hint, life expectancy is NO indication of medical care.
Indonesia. Anywhere but the US. Meds are easier to get in Saudi than in the US. We want antibiotics? We just go buy them. Same for any other med you can think of. Directly from the counter at the pharmacy. 
So what say you, any of you, to this?
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