Praying People Through

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

In First Cor.12 it says do all speak with tongues of course all don't give messages in tongues in a congreagational setting.1.COR.12,13,14 deals with the proper usage of the gifts.
In Acts two and verse 4 all who were baptized in The Holy Ghost spake with tongues.
In Romans 8 :26 the church or the believer is instructed,to pray with groanings that cannot be uttered for the spirit helpeth our weaknesses.
Now this brief but I could go into more detail.

I've seen all the detail, from folks a lot smarter than me in fact.

BUT it all comes down to assumptions. Not a proper way to arrive at a sound biblical doctrine.

Yes I speak in tongues. but i do not accept in any fassion that speaking in tongues has a thing to do with whether a person is saved or not.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Fruit has to be cultivated we should speak in tongues and manifest the fruit of the Spirit as we grow in our walk with The Lord we should do both.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

StaySharp The Holy Ghost you received at that altar,is what brought you to your understanding today,because the Holy Ghost working in us is a work in progress.

No, I would sincerely disagree. Their isn't two spirits. They don't act or behave duplicitous. I recognized my disconnect when I studied Christ and sought to follow him and him alone. Not a church, organization or creed. When I began to follow Christ, then my spirit understood my needs.

BTW, I was raised in the church any my father pastored all my life. I never left the church.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Fruit has to be cultivated we should speak in tongues and manifest the fruit of the Spirit as we grow in our walk with The Lord we should do both.

I can agree with you there Scott. Although i would put importance on fruits for 98 % of it

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I can agree with you there Scott. Although i would put importance on fruits for 98 % of it

Amen to that. I believe in the Holy Spirit, but if you live your life without Christ, you don't have the Holy Spirit. You have a cheap imitation.

The Holy Spirit does not manipulate, intimidate, lie, kill, deceive, back stab and tail bear. Most of what you see in a lot of Pentecostalism does just this. Including from the pulpit.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Stay Sharp you know your experience,but the Holy Ghost does lead us into growth,and developement,I received The Holy Ghost several yrs. ago but the Holy Ghost I received then is what has led into a better understanding of things biblical,I see some things differently than I used to and it was through the instruction of The Holy Ghost that I see some things differently.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Stay Sharp you know your experience,but the Holy Ghost does lead us into growth,and developement,I received The Holy Ghost several yrs. ago but the Holy Ghost I received then is what has led into a better understanding of things biblical,I see some things differently than I used to and it was through the instruction of The Holy Ghost that I see some things differently.

Of course the Holy Spirit is a teacher, I am not denying that. But one must be willing to follow and be led by Christ, not spiritism. We walk by faith, not sight.

[Scott Hutchinson]

We need everything that the Spirit will produce in our lives,sadly in Pentecost the fruit of The Spirit is not emphasized as much as it needs to be ,but that should not be neglected.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes tongues and the gifts are manifestations of The Holy Ghost,instruction of The Holy Ghost is a different work of The Holy Ghost.
One work of The Holy Ghost is for instruction.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by staysharp

So, my new Apostolic Magazine comes in the mail and here is this article on "how to pray people through". An interview with a hot shot praying people through evangelist. He says he has a 95% success rate...how does he know his success rate? Is there someone counting those who get it and those who don't and then do the math for him?

A few interesting quotes;

"People need to relax...they will not get the Holy Ghost while being uptight".

Question: If you pray with someone for a while and they seem to be getting nowhere, what do you do?

Answer: If people seem to struggle, they may not have fully repented, so I make sure they confess their sins and get it all out.

Now my question to you all: Where does it say you have to repent to receive the gift of tongues? And did not Jesus say..."how much more will your heavenly father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask"

How much repenting would one need to do to speak in tongues and get it all out? And is repentance a requisite to receiving the gifts? Are not the gifts given without repentance

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

If his gifts are irrevocable, how can one ever repent enough to merit receiving?

Staysharp,

While I do not know your doctrinal/theological foundation it would appear (from the red bolded portion) that you believe "praying someone through" or praying until they "speak in tongues" is simply for them to receive the "gift of tongues." If your supposition was correct then your point would indeed be valid, however, when most oneness Pentecostals speak of praying someone through, we are speaking of receiving the spirit of Christ (Holy Ghost) which one would have to receive BEFORE he/she could be endowed with the gift of tongues or any other gift of the spirit.

In Acts 2:38 the word used for gift is the Greek dōrea which simply means gift as in a present. The Word used in I Corinthians 12 for the gifts such as healing, tongues etc. is charisma which has a markedly different definition. (Strong's defines it as: grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit)

Incidentally, I do not agree with most of the "professional" Holy Ghost "specialists."