wonderful. you have a nice grasp of history. you also have a clear conscience. that is very nice. Now remind me of this precedent that AL set?
PO, in the world we live in, AL freed the slaves. no one thinks he was a modern day saint. I guess I am left wondering why you want to judge this man by todays standards when clearly on the subject of slavery he was a proressive for his era.
Thomas Jeffereson, refused to put the word "free" in the declaration of indepenance because he did not want to exclude black slaves from the idea that "all men are created equal" but he owned slaves. do we judge him by the standards of modernity? of course not.
you cannot take a man out of his era and judge him by a set of values that he has had no exposure to!
What ever AL was, both the good and the bad, has to be judged by the era in which he lived.
You said today that you might vote for Rudy G. you said your reasoning was because you were voting for President not for priest.
so excuse me if I am baffeled by this commitment to making sure everyone knows just how evil the 147year dead guy was.
You can't call him a progressive for his era unless he was setting slaves free for moral reasons. That is my opinion.
I am judging or rather evaluating him by the standards of his day more than ours. I am trying to reconcile these pictures of this tall man who walked miles to return a few pennies and wondering his thoughts on human flesh.
Wasn't there a difference in he and (I forgot his name. My mind is totally blank. The guy that would go out into the woods and pray after studying the Bible for his law practice and found truth. What was his name?) when studying the Bible for their law practices? Most certainly.
Rudy would be standing behind whatever law the Supreme Court has laid down, which is how he stands and lawfully he must, saying the states have the rights to make their own laws. Again, a little different, IMO.
You can't call him a progressive for his era unless he was setting slaves free for moral reasons. That is my opinion.
I am judging or rather evaluating him by the standards of his day more than ours. I am trying to reconcile these pictures of this tall man who walked miles to return a few pennies and wondering his thoughts on human flesh.
Wasn't there a difference in he and (I forgot his name. My mind is totally blank. The guy that would go out into the woods and pray after studying the Bible for his law practice and found truth. What was his name?) when studying the Bible for their law practices? Most certainly.
Rudy would be standing behind whatever law the Supreme Court has laid down, which is how he stands and lawfully he must, saying the states have the rights to make their own laws. Again, a little different, IMO.
AL was in fact considered a progressive. reinterpretting history based on your personal veiw, isnt valid.
however, this discussion was (from my perspetive) on the subject of this website, and the fact that while i agree in principle with them about hillary clinton, I dont want to associate myself with them (or my side of the political aisle) because of the extreme manner in which they approach other subjects.
I am sorry for not being clear about that. AL was demonized by these people. If they want to be taken seriously, that isnt something they should be doing... reguardless of the validity of the position, you dont do what they did.
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AL was in fact considered a progressive. reinterpretting history based on your personal veiw, isnt valid.
however, this discussion was (from my perspetive) on the subject of this website, and the fact that while i agree in principle with them about hillary clinton, I dont want to associate myself with them (or my side of the political aisle) because of the extreme manner in which they approach other subjects.
I am sorry for not being clear about that. AL was demonized by these people. If they want to be taken seriously, that isnt something they should be doing... reguardless of the validity of the position, you dont do what they did.
LOL! Ferd, I just wanted to get that off my chest. I would have hated slavery and worked directly with Harriet Tubman.
Anyway, you are right about not aligning with the likes of Hillary. She is also ridiculous to try and impose additional hate crime laws. We already have laws that cover any violent crime. All this added stuff isn't necessary and is what really takes away from liberty.
"As the Constitution endures, persons of every generation can invoke it’s principles in their own search for greater freedom."
You are right on both accounts Chancellor. As to the first point, it doesn't take away how "white" people in history handled themselves. We are paying for that today.
Think how things might have been if we looked at it like the Beecher Stowes. That is all I'm saying.
How whites in the past behaved is irrelevant. It is this unwillingness of an entire segment of the AMERICAN population to forgive another segment that perpetuates this ongoing root of bitterness in the collective heart of the unforgiving segment.
How whites in the past behaved is irrelevant. It is this unwillingness of an entire segment of the AMERICAN population to forgive another segment that perpetuates this ongoing root of bitterness in the collective heart of the unforgiving segment.
Chancellor,
Did you ever think that the unforgiveness, which yes is wrong, is there because of how the past was dealt with. That's what I am trying to say.
No, we can't undo it, but I can express my opinion that it was wrong in the past. There were some that handled it better, but it was not enough - not enough!
And there isn't enough teaching in the Public School system to point out the ones that handled things right - it's always the wrong that is being looked at!
Chancellor,
Did you ever think that the unforgiveness, which yes is wrong, is there because of how the past was dealt with. That's what I am trying to say.
It doesn't matter why it's there.
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No, we can't undo it, but I can express my opinion that it was wrong in the past. There were some that handled it better, but it was not enough - not enough!
It doesn't matter: the choice not to forgive the past is what causes the root of bitterness. There will never be healing until there is forgiveness.
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And there isn't enough teaching in the Public School system to point out the ones that handled things right - it's always the wrong that is being looked at!
Government indoctrination centers (public schools) are unconstitutional and should be disbanded.
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