What do you think of this Financial equality doctrine? - Page 4

Ferd · #31 03-22-2007, 08:45 AM

when governemnts require citizens to give up everything and become wards of the state, that is communisim.

when a group of people choose to work collectively as the apostles did, there is at least biblical precedent. I have no problem with a group of people working together in such a manner.

It isnt communism
It isnt socialism
in fact it isnt any form of state governemnt because it isnt the action of any state.

it is a kabutz (sp). there better be some good controls. these things tend to end badly...(think 70 AD)....did I say that?????

Digging4Truth · #32 03-22-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

when governemnts require citizens to give up everything and become wards of the state, that is communisim.

when a group of people choose to work collectively as the apostles did, there is at least biblical precedent. I have no problem with a group of people working together in such a manner.

It isnt communism
It isnt socialism
in fact it isnt any form of state governemnt because it isnt the action of any state.

it is a kabutz (sp). there better be some good controls. these things tend to end badly...(think 70 AD)....did I say that?????

When people do something like this they will almost always be deemed as cookes & nuts. Not because they are nuts... not because they are wrong... but GASP because they do it differently than the mainstream.

The church will generally lead the charge.

I feel sure Jesus would be the one the majority of the church would snicker at and roll their eyes at were he in bodily form walking the earth today.

OGIA · #33 03-22-2007, 08:49 AM

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the Jerusalem church got into a position where it needed help from other churches, which was why Paul collected that offering from his various church plants.

What led to the Jerusalem Church needing added assistance?

Digging4Truth · #34 03-22-2007, 08:51 AM

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It didn't work in the Jerusalem church, why would it work today? If you remember from Acts, the Jerusalem church got into a position where it needed help from other churches, which was why Paul collected that offering from his various church plants.

Can you provide scripture & verse for me please Chan... I would like to read into this...

Does it say it wasn't working or do we just have evidence of one church sending an offering to another?

Ferd · #35 03-22-2007, 08:51 AM

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What led to the Jerusalem Church needing added assistance?

I dont know that the scripture records the reason? or am I wrong?

we do know that property values declined somwhere around 70AD though.

OGIA · #36 03-22-2007, 08:52 AM

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we do know that property values declined somwhere around 70AD though.

Because the Church has all things in common?

Digging4Truth · #37 03-22-2007, 08:54 AM

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I dont know that the scripture records the reason? or am I wrong?

we do know that property values declined somwhere around 70AD though.

LOL...

I do always find it amusing when people make a pilgrimage to the "Holy Land" and "walk the streets Jesus walked" and get shown by the guides the "street called straight". Everybody oooohs & aahhhhhs because this is the very place Jesus walked.

LOL

That place is GONE.

Torn down completely and utterly.

Digging4Truth · #38 03-22-2007, 08:55 AM

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Because the Church has all things in common?

Because Jerusalem was completely destroyed. Not one stone of the temple was left unturned.

mizpeh · #39 03-22-2007, 08:56 AM

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Because the Church has all things in common?

No because Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans.

mizpeh · #40 03-22-2007, 09:02 AM

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It didn't work in the Jerusalem church, why would it work today? If you remember from Acts, the Jerusalem church got into a position where it needed help from other churches, which was why Paul collected that offering from his various church plants.

Why do you say it didn't work? Paul compared it to the Israelites and the daily manna they received from the Lord.

But what you are speaking of in Corinthians came later. The first weeks and months of the church in Acts 4:32-37, the church gave liberally to such an extent that the apostles had to appoint trusted saints to distribute the money according to need. It sounds like they gave the money to widows and such not to those who were able-bodied to work....